RE: How to shut up people who are against abortion
May 28, 2013 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2013 at 8:07 pm by Consilius.)
(May 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:(May 28, 2013 at 7:50 pm)Consilius Wrote: Nope. They keep on having free will after the Flood. Egyptians decide to worship the sun, and the Incas decide to do human sacrifice. To preserve true worship and complete moral code, God chooses…Abraham!
"And the Lord hardend Pharao`s heart"
Do you know this phrase????
I do, and it means god doesnt give a fuck about free will.
When the Bible was written, everyone was a theist. That's why it needs interpretation. God knew what Pharaoh would do to the Israelites, but, at the same time, he KNEW it was going to happen, and at the time that he wanted. He didn't make Pharaoh hate Moses in the other sense.
Of course, the awestruck Jewish men who wrote the Torah gave God credit for their Exodus in a much more direct manner. To take that part literally, would, of course, contradict the Bible.
(May 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm)catfish Wrote:(May 28, 2013 at 7:58 pm)Consilius Wrote: Yes, it is. At least it was to Jesus. Jesus, the person who willingly died, and Christians, thought of it as self-sacrifice—Jesus got HIMSELF killed on purpose. To the Roman soldiers and the people in Jerusalem, they were punishing a blasphemer, not killing somebody so God would bless the.
That wasn't what I was expecting.
Specifically, do you think that a person must accept the human sacrifice of Jesus to attone for sins?
God got that covered when Jesus died. We're all good. Christians accept Jesus' death and resurrection by quoting the Bible, but, in the morally good acts you do, and in the way you love other people, you are actually serving God, and, at the same time, recognizing Jesus' sacrifice without knowing it.
