How to shut up people who are against abortion

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I believe what Nora and Rebecca are getting at is the individual is the mother. The fetus is so reliant upon the mother as to not have achieved individualism quite yet.

I know what they're "getting at" too. I'm just not buying it.

The original question I asked was this: "Is a human fetus an individual human lifeform?"

Then don't buy it and refute it, but don't look like a complete idiot... You can do better
They don't agree with you on individual human lifeform. It's all semantics at this point... You could call every fetus the Queen of England, and they (and I) would say abort the bitch. I agree with calling a fetus an individual, but it is dependent upon it's mother, her individual rights supersede that of a lifeform that cannot keep itself alive.