How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Tiberius]

but why doesn't the father have a say in the matter if he helped create it?

Because, Divi Tiberio, you are way too eager to ignore how the little fucker got in there in the first place.

No I'm not. I thought I'd been clear that I don't object to abortions for rape victims. When I ask why the father doesn't have a say, I mean in the sense that him and the women had consensual sex, knowing pregnancy was a possibility. It's as much his child as it is hers, so why in those situations can't the father have a say?

Most of the time the"father" has absconded and is not reachable to be engaged in the abortion decision Tiberius

That doesn't mean you just get to ignore all the other times where the father is present. That's a terrible argument and you know it. The father doesn't get a say because "most of the time" fathers abscond and aren't reachable?!? Seriously?