Quote:A little reading also turned up the black box being found in pensylvania but was too damaged to recover meaningful data, but the cockpit recorder was found albeit in bad condition and confirmed the idea that there was a struggle on the plane.
So your little bit of reading counts as proof, but mine is hearsay? You chastise my proof as just owrds on the internet, but all you have is words on the internet. That is where we internalize the debate and decide which piece of hearsay seems more likley than the other. How does the damage of the black box, which is nearly indestructible mean there was a struggle? It was such a fantastic struggle that is damaged the flight data recorder? I would lean towards a crash into the ground as more likely a cause of said damage.
Quote:Supposed witness accounts are not good evidence. Next.I will admit that I didn't quote my sources, but I assure you that you can do the research yourself if you are so inclined. The reason I did not post my sources is because it is hearsay, that you can choose to believe it or not. but what makes my sourced witness "not good evidence" and you witness otherwise?
Quote:Where is this proof? That's what i'm interested in, the proof - not you just claiming you can prove it.But you cannot prove that the official story is valid either. So we are at am impasse, where as free-thinkers we have to figure it out ourselves. It seems less likley that the official story is possible or plausible than some other information and theories. There is not proof, there is nothing I can reach through the screen (and dimension of time) and show you, as there would be nothing for you to do the same for your side of the argument. But if you posit that it is more likley that the boxes were not recovered, than I think that is incorrect.
But you also seemed to show that they indeed were collected, then the question becomes can we hear or see trascripts of them? If they were collected, why were they not entered into public record during the investigation, and remained behind closed doors, same as presidential and vice presidential testimony?
I am saying that they were likely collected, and then we were told that they were not. you come back with a Popular Mechanics article quote saying that they were. So are we disagreeing?
I am terrible a math, but lets do it. how long would it take a free fall object to cover the same distance? How much resistance to gravity do undamaged floors present? In a pancake collapse theory, what is a reasonable time frame of said collapse whereas there is a congruent amount of gravitational resistance from the floors below involved in said collapse? I assume that it is much higher than 9 or 14 seconds, more like 45ish. But feel free to crunch numbers. In a pancake collapse, would we not expect the falling load to meet resistance form the floors and supports below it, and that that would possibly cause the collapsing portion to fall to one side or another? How does a pancake style collapse maintain a downward trajectory for the entirety of the failure? Wouldn't the building literally fall over at some point? Especially taken into account that all supports could not fail simultaneously. Even if most failed, and caused the rest to, it would be impossible with an hour of kerosene and aluminum aeroframe impact for literally every support to fail simultaneously. Would that not also then lead to a lilting, or "falling over" of the structure? This isn't math, but speculative introspection.
Quote:I'll check out the commission report and some peer-reviewed science, if you can provide the names of any real scientists who have evidence against certain events, that is the type of evidence i would be happy to see.Well, you keep trying to find a real scientist, but I would suggest you use your own faculties to figure this one out. At some point we have to think for ourselves, and not outsource our opinions and ideas to perceived experts.
So yeah. Your hearsay trumps mine because you has the balls to copy and paste it.
Thanks for listening, I do enjoy discussions with you, we just don't see eye to eye.
-Pip
