Excavating The Empty Tomb

[Brian37]

For a person who claims to be representing "biblical christianity" you don't seem to have a very firm grasp of what is contained therein Drich......why ask atheists for chapters and verses - aren't you supposed to be the bible monkey here? I'll be honest with you, I kind of operate on the assumption that you're not a complete douche - that you actually have read your holy book...and that when we discuss your holy book I won't have to tell you what's in it....

I don't know about Min, but I'm not really in the habit of quoting the bible. I like to keep our forum floor clear of rubble.

This is why, although picking apart that comic book is fun, at the same time it is a HUGE distraction away from even before you get to the first letter in that comic book, the entire house is built on the stupid claim that imaginary friends are real. So I hate any argument that starts on a Yellow Brick Road. Once you are in it, it is hard to pull the delusional out of it.

Good logic works like this.

Prior tested and proven data=established formula=projected outcome

Theist logic works backwards.

"Sounds nice"<=made up formula(pulling shit out of your ass)<=desired outcome.

So I prefer to skip the crap and start with their starting point. It is all the same no matter what religion or superstition or conspiracy crap people claim.

Theism depends on appeal to emotion, appeal to tradition, and require suspension of disbelief, and those will NEVER be good quality control.

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What Drippy can never understand, apparently, is the concept of literature. The Homeric tales are apparently the oldest example of Western literature and were told/retold and read for centuries. We have no idea of how common Homeric themes were in ancient literature because most of it has been lost by the action of time or deliberate destruction by idiot xtians. Fortunately for the West the islamic revolt against learning came late enough for much to have been transferred before they became fundie assholes, too.

One of the concepts in question here is katabasis and here is a list of just the Greco-Roman heroes who went to Hades.


The idea is shown in Sumerian and Egyptian literature as well so it far pre-dates Homer.

But Drippy looks at all this and says "but my god is different." No, Drippy, it isn't. It is the same old shit.

... Am I missing something or are you asserting that Christ went to hades/hell as well?? Do you have book chapter and verse for this assertion, or are you going off of what your video says?

IF you do not Have B/C/V that clearly states Christ went to Hades/Hell then there is no parallel between Christ and those who went to 'hades/hell.'

Hades originally meant "trash heap". But still does not change that if we are talking about a real place, which amounts to a trash can, those who do not kiss your fictional characters ass will be treated like trash.

You keep moving the goal posts when the real issue is hell is not real and it is still immoral to treat others like trash merely because they don't want to kiss your ass.

You are going to feel a lot better once you realize you don't have to defend that vile book.

So what you are justifying without realizing is a dictator. PERIOD. I am not trash, and hell even if a real place and not simply a "trash heap", is not a form of corrective punishment, it is tyrannical revenge.

So literal or metaphorical it is still a vile claim and totally morally bankrupt. It is mental slavery and the same attitude is used by dictators, mafia bosses and abusive spouses.

I am not property that someone can drag into a mansion(heaven) or be bribed into that mansion. Nor am I trash to be thrown into a fire or into a trash can.

If you want to mentally abuse yourself with that garbage, we cant stop you, but we are not fooled and we are not objects or pawns in your game of myth.

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Oh and lets not forget that the Romans were expert census takers I think they'd take notice if someone running a cult went around making all those fantastic claims. But the gospels were written AFTER the fact and any real Romans written into it were done so AFTER THE FACT.

That would be like me saying Donald Trump exists so therefore I am a billionaire. Even if there was evidence of a man named Jesus the only thing it would prove is that a man managed to start a cult and market that cult. But the Gospels were written after the fact and it is much more likely that the founders of Christianity simply were writing their myth to compete and split from the Jewish traditions. There certainly were founders of Christianity, but regardless, it still does not make the fantastic claims credible, nor does it make that religion the inventor of human morality.

But, this is what all religions do and even in polytheism, humans made bad guesses about the nature of reality, and also claimed divine morality.