Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 11, 2024, 6:46 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Excavating The Empty Tomb
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb
(June 5, 2013 at 12:50 pm)little_monkey Wrote:
(June 5, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: I think so let me see if all of this is right...

So 2000 years ago (give or take) someone wrote a story that paralelled another story based in, what was popular culture (for the time it was written) and was sold to the very same people of said pop culture, and yet no one noticed. No one for 2000 years noticed, till someone with a desire to make this mock-YOU-mentry noticed what should have been very appearent to any of the major philosphers and anti-theologians of that day..

How am I doing so far?

Not good.

Once a religion becomes the dominant force, like christianity did since 1500 years ago, it tends to suppress any contrarian views.
Facepalm

Wasn't the assertion that Mark took ques from Odyesseus to write about Christ, and as Mark was the First of the Gospel writters the other 3 just copied what he wrote? This did not Happen 1500 years ago. This happened between 50 to 70 years after the events took place. The Gospel writtings would have been contested and Christianity shutdown long before it became a force 1500 years ago. The Jews, the Greeks, The Romans all were looking for a way to stop Christianity. Again is it your belief that none of these people saw what the mockumentry guy spoke of? Seriously, If it was Soooo obvious that Jesus was an Oddyeus copy then why did so many die in a time where the exploits of Oddyeus were fresh on peoples minds?? That would be like someone claiming that "O' brother, where art thou" was an orginal story and not based on "the oddessy." Or west side story was not a retelling of Romeo and Juliet.. To the point people would line up to die to say that either one was an orginal story.

Just because people then did not enjoy the Mod/Cons you have now does not mean they were stupid.

(June 5, 2013 at 1:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: In true form, Stimbo, in the narrative I've been trying to use as a vehicle to describe the vehicle used -in- the narrative to Drich...a great deal has been done in that regard. Here we have a jewish god being sold to a gentile audience - he feeds the multitudes (make alot with a little...hey Drich..that mustard seed bit.....yup.) -including those who do not believe

-and still has more "bread" leftover, ostensibly for anyone else who may require it (which is all of us..so sayeth the narrative - in the desert of life).

Doublet, allusion and chorus combine to produce theology - as well as a passable tale for this theology to ride around on. Wonder of wonders.

(and isn;t it amusing to note, that depending on which version of this narrative one prefers - it follows an explanation of the beginning of resistance to "jesus' movement" - John is beheaded..etc..and almost immediately the jesus character makes appeals to a wider audience.)

FINALLY! a commitment. Now Show me a link to Homers orginal work that Odyesseus doing this!

(June 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(June 5, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: So 2000 years ago (give or take) someone wrote a story that paralelled another story based in, what was popular culture (for the time it was written) and was sold to the very same people of said pop culture, and yet no one noticed.

What monkey and Rhythm said, plus this:

Even if what you said was the way it happened, why do you find it so surprising? That sort of thing happens all the time. Here's just a few similar examples of what might be termed repackaged popular culture just from the top of my head. I'm sure you can think of many more:

Star Wars - Hidden Fortress, plus no end of "Hero's Journey" stories
A Fistful of Dollars - Kurosawa's Yojimbo
Ulysses 31 (anyone remember this?) - Homer's Odyssey
The Lion King - Hamlet
Lion King 2 - Romeo & Juliet
Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber - anything by just about every classical composer for the past few centuries

I think that, rather than simply selling this stuff to the people and hoping nobody notices, there's a healthy amount of redressing the stories to make them, shall we say, more palatable to a contemporary and/or non-native audience going on.

As I pointed out earilier. How many would die to state that the Lion King was an orginal work? How many before someone would point out it was a rework of Hamlet? How many would die after that revelation?
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by little_monkey - May 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Anomalocaris - May 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Anomalocaris - May 29, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 29, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cato - May 29, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 30, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Godschild - May 30, 2013 at 1:02 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 30, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Godschild - May 30, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by littleendian - May 30, 2013 at 7:25 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by ThomM - June 3, 2013 at 1:07 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cyberman - May 29, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by LastPoet - May 30, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 30, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Angrboda - June 5, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Angrboda - June 5, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 6, 2013 at 1:23 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Angrboda - June 6, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Aractus - May 30, 2013 at 7:49 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by ronedee - May 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cato - May 30, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Angrboda - May 30, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 30, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Aractus - June 4, 2013 at 7:38 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Godschild - May 31, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 12:56 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 3:22 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 31, 2013 at 3:32 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Undeceived - May 31, 2013 at 3:38 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cato - June 3, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - May 31, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by little_monkey - May 31, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Zarith - May 31, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 3:38 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 31, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - May 31, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Angrboda - June 1, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Mystical - June 3, 2013 at 12:29 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by KichigaiNeko - June 3, 2013 at 1:35 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Mystical - June 3, 2013 at 3:37 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 3, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 3, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 3, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 4, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 3, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by tokutter - June 4, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 5, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 3, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by LastPoet - June 3, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Pandas United - June 3, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by pocaracas - June 4, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Tonus - June 3, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 4, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Tonus - June 4, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 4, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Tonus - June 4, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Tonus - June 4, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 4, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by pocaracas - June 4, 2013 at 11:57 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 4, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 5, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by little_monkey - June 5, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cyberman - June 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Drich - June 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 5, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Doubting Thomas - June 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by ronedee - June 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Tonus - June 5, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Brian37 - June 5, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by ronedee - June 5, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cyberman - June 5, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by ronedee - June 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Cyberman - June 5, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 6, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by little_monkey - June 6, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Silver - June 6, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Excavating The Empty Tomb - by Minimalist - June 6, 2013 at 2:53 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  What to do with all the empty churches? I_am_not_mafia 22 5119 March 30, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  The Puzzle of the Empty Tomb Smotts 16 6007 April 8, 2013 at 11:53 am
Last Post: Minimalist
Tongue "How do you explain the empty tomb?" Tea Earl Grey Hot 68 23143 September 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Empty Tomb Puzzle Neo-Scholastic 55 23425 April 5, 2012 at 12:07 am
Last Post: Godscreated



Users browsing this thread: 20 Guest(s)