(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote:(June 7, 2013 at 10:23 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Asking for evidence is not dogmatic
Please point out to what you are referring.
Don't be evasive.
You indicated that atheism has a choral of dogma[s] associated with it.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote:Quote:neither is lacking a belief in deities.
I already stated that i do not believe in Jesus, Buddha or other as saviors sent by God.
The only savior is yourself and the divine entity is within.
Lacking a belief in deities is not a dogma however is a dogma believing that this physical-material dimension is all there is.
It is like to say that there is no gold under ground when you never attempt to dig up the soil.
You can say that you are not interested in finding out something but you can not say that that thing does not exist.
Verbose. I've highlighted the only thing that marginally deals with what I was rejecting in red.
I also lack a belief in any sort of spiritual realm because I have seen no evidence to indicate that any such thing exists. I can refute everything you say regarding this based on that single notion (that you bring no evidence aside assertion and belief) because that is what logic and, moreover, common sense dictates I do. There is nothing dogmatic about that.
And in addition, you keep using the word/description 'dogmatic'; I don't think it means what you think it means.
And finally, issues with 'spiritualism' are mutually exclusive to 'atheism'. There is nothing preventing an atheist from believing in 'spiritualism' in of itself.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: [Quote:Please desist in the sleight of hand re-branding of positions held by those who disagree with your sentiments/feelings/emotions/beliefs.
A forum is a place in which people gather to discuss all sort of things.
At least it was in the roman time.
When i enter this forum i noted a lot of words bashing and swearing.
Now you may say that is not you and that is ok but if you really care about correctness then i invite you to read some of the posts and not only those from the Minimalist and then come back to me so we can discuss the problem.
I fail to see how your reply has a single relevance to my issue with your stance regarding the re-branding of positions that are in opposition to yours.
I don't care one iota about other people's replies to you as they bare no relevance whatsoever to your rebranding of the stances those who disagree with you hold.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: [Quote:Just because you believe what you're saying doesn't mean any of us have to agree or additionally follow them. Implying that we're wrong using nothing more than your own belief is circular, and can hence be (rightly) disregarded.
Actually my information are based on practical experience not by reading books written and rewritten hundreds of times like the bible (religion) or based only on what the the physical science say (physical reality).
Now when you think that i implying that you are wrong to me is like to judge that guy that say that there is no gold to be found under the ground when he never attempt to dig the soil.
If you say that God does not exist when you never attempt to dig within is a bit too ambitious.
Your experience, which just so happens to be impossible to replicate on a universal level (based on the [lack of] evidence for your claims). Your dismissal of physical reality is fine, but you can't expect those of us who ask for evidence of such claims to fall for yours hook line and sinker based purely on your own experiences.
Your gold analogy is tired and (again) verbose. It makes the assumption that our behaviour mirrors that which you believe to be true (that people reject your claims prima facie without exploration). This, again, is false. You will have seen us asking for evidence of your claims (not dogmatic), to which you have either refused to, or been unable to, provide. This is us 'digging for gold', and finding nothing but soil.