(June 9, 2013 at 10:10 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: Please point out to what you are referring.
Don't be evasive.
Why should i be? I have no problem in answering your questions.
Quote:You indicated that atheism has a choral of dogma[s] associated with it
Anyone focusing entirely on the physical-material side of the whole is living in the corral of dogma.
I give you an example.
Take the water which is composed by oxygen and hydrogen.
Now you focus entirely on the water and not at the fact that is composed by those two element.
Would this make any sense?
If you study chemistry or if you would need those two elements separately for scientific purpose or for running a business in which you need oxygen or hydrogen then you would have a big problem and in reality in the earthly world physics and chemistry are taken in serious consideration.
The problem start when we do not take in any consideration where this physical universe come from or better say where the matter, water, light, air and space come from.
You see the people care to know the composition of the most crude and primitive elements like minerals and water but do not care much where everything else started from or is composed by.
Why a person that pretend to be intelligent care only for the most primitive things and neglect those much more important?
Simple.......because their mind is stuck in the corral of dogma.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: I already stated that i do not believe in Jesus, Buddha or other as saviors sent by God.
The only savior is yourself and the divine entity is within.
Lacking a belief in deities is not a dogma however is a dogma believing that this physical-material dimension is all there is.
It is like to say that there is no gold under ground when you never attempt to dig up the soil.
You can say that you are not interested in finding out something but you can not say that that thing does not exist.
Quote:Verbose. I've highlighted the only thing that marginally deals with what I was rejecting in red.
I also lack a belief in any sort of spiritual realm because I have seen no evidence to indicate that any such thing exists. I can refute everything you say regarding this based on that single notion (that you bring no evidence aside assertion and belief) because that is what logic and, moreover, common sense dictates I do. There is nothing dogmatic about that
You must have a lot of expectations.
You got to conquer the achievements not expect that someone bring these to you in a silver plate.
Everything in life come after a lot of struggle.
If you want to get a job you must go around and around, if you want a lover you also got to go around and around and the same for every other achievement.
The good thing about spirituality is that you do not have to go around and around because the spirit is within but nevertheless you still need something in order to achieve that thing and that is a strong desire something that at the moment you do not have and that is the main reason why you can not perceive anything.
Quote:And in addition, you keep using the word/description 'dogmatic'; I don't think it means what you think it means.
Dogmatic like someone who give the utmost importance to something very primitive like the physical-material world and give no importance at all at the most subtle things in life.
Quote:And finally, issues with 'spiritualism' are mutually exclusive to 'atheism'. There is nothing preventing an atheist from believing in 'spiritualism' in of itself.
Again you strike one more dogma or false truth.
The spirit within is God therefore you can not not believe in God and believe at the same time.
The moon reflect her image in the lake.
From different position you can see a myriad of moon but the moon is only one.
At the same time you can see a myriad of people and things but they are all reflection of the same entity.
The spirit within is just one of the many reflection of the same entity so if you really understand how all the system works then you would know that you can not believe in the two opposite at the same time.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: [
A forum is a place in which people gather to discuss all sort of things.
At least it was in the roman time.
When i enter this forum i noted a lot of words bashing and swearing.
Now you may say that is not you and that is ok but if you really care about correctness then i invite you to read some of the posts and not only those from the Minimalist and then come back to me so we can discuss the problem.
Quote:I fail to see how your reply has a single relevance to my issue with your stance regarding the re-branding of positions that are in opposition to yours.
I don't care one iota about other people's replies to you as they bare no relevance whatsoever to your rebranding of the stances those who disagree with you hold.
Very very intellectual stance in order to say nothing new.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: [
Actually my information are based on practical experience not by reading books written and rewritten hundreds of times like the bible (religion) or based only on what the the physical science say (physical reality).
Now when you think that i implying that you are wrong to me is like to judge that guy that say that there is no gold to be found under the ground when he never attempt to dig the soil.
If you say that God does not exist when you never attempt to dig within is a bit too ambitious.
Quote:Your experience, which just so happens to be impossible to replicate on a universal level (based on the [lack of] evidence for your claims). Your dismissal of physical reality is fine, but you can't expect those of us who ask for evidence of such claims to fall for yours hook line and sinker based purely on your own experiences.
When i mention other experiences like the NDE then you guys dismiss the lot like a load of manure. Even when mr Abe Alexander point out that the brain is totally out of action therefore drugs or chemical reactions can not work even then you reject these experiences outright.
In other words you reject everything that does not go along with your belief even when thousand of people contradict you with scientific evidence.
Quote:Your gold analogy is tired and (again) verbose. It makes the assumption that our behaviour mirrors that which you believe to be true (that people reject your claims prima facie without exploration). This, again, is false. You will have seen us asking for evidence of your claims (not dogmatic), to which you have either refused to, or been unable to, provide. This is us 'digging for gold', and finding nothing but soil.
Your word EXPLORATION is the right word to describe someone interested in finding out something.
The problem with you is that without EXPLORING you would like to see the gold brought to you in a silver plate.
