(June 12, 2013 at 8:08 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(June 9, 2013 at 9:32 am)orogenicman Wrote: First of all, that is not an answer to my questions, particularly neither involve disease nor mortality. Secondly, even if my questions did involve disease and mortality, it is a typical religious cop out, a lazy answer, one that offers no evidence but expects us to simply trust in faith.Yes, it is faith
Pardon me while I don't take things on blind faith.
MS Wrote:If you want a proof it should go like this
Prove god existence
Prove that Allah is that God
Prove that Qur'an came from God
Follow Qur'an strictly
Every thing inside Qur'an you just take it as granted (no need to prove it specifically)
You clearly don't understand how 'burden of proof' works.
OGM Wrote:So you are saying that GOD(S) aren't GODS after all? So much for omnipotence.
MS Wrote:According to the proof, just one non-created God can exist
Which doesn't actually answer my question, does it?
MS Wrote:First of all, the notion that Man was created in God's image does not originate from Christianity. It came out of Judaism, and likely earlier religious traditions of the region. Secondly, what is unique about your god, and why can nothing be similar. Also, what would that imply?
MS Wrote:Yes you are correct
We have the same text in Islam as well
"God created Adam on his image"
But the Jews understood it wrong, His means Adams image
I.e. God created on his (Adam's) image as a full man directly without going into childhood
So you are saying that the Jews don't understand the words they put down in their own holy books, but you, who got it third or fourth or even tenth hand, do? Excuse me while I giggle.
OGM Wrote:Secondly, if it impossible to know why your god does things, then how is it possible that people are always told of his will, and of things that are ascribed to god.
MS Wrote:We can know "What" & "Why", only by getting his message through revelation
Moving the goalpost already?
MS Wrote:We cannot know "Why" by using logic, because his will is not like ours
We cannot know "HOW", even if God tells us because he is unique
If your god is not like us in any way, what is he like? A demon? A goat? A can of milk? A hot fudge sunday?
I think you are making all of this crap up.
OGM Wrote:it was the Muslims who claimed that Allah was punishing Man for all his sins.
MS Wrote:Maybe, maybe not!
There is no maybe about it. Muslims came onto MSM and made the statements. Repeatedly. No one else did.
OGM Wrote:I agree completely that that was the case, but it doesn't make a good argument that the Muslims who made those statements are honest people.
MS Wrote:God said in Qur'an that all people (even Muslims) are sinners and they deserve great punishments, only because of his mercy he is delaying that punishment and may forgive (some Muslims) as well.
So, you are saying that your god is an unforgiving, sadistic tyrant, except to certain "special" muslims. Gee, the old testament god was a lot like that as well. So your claim that he is unique doesn't exactly seem all that convincing to me.
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero