Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism

[BettyG]

FallentoReason: Pffft! 3 hours?! God is eternal. A finite punishment is drowned out by an infinite life. ,

Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. He was fully capable of feeling excruciating pain.

FallentoReason: Or if you're all-powerful, because nails ain't gonna do crap. [/quote

They put holes in His hands. Try it and see how I feels.

FallentoReason: And he did this while being all-knowing... knowing that he was going to see the light of day again.

How does knowing the future take away the pain one is experiencing NOW?

FallentoReason: Because he's divine.

Yes, and fully human.

FallentoReason: You can't kill a god. That's why there was no sacrifice.

I realize it is difficult to comprehend that Jesus could be both fully human and divine at the same time. The Romans killed His human flesh, not His divinity.

me:
There were 500 eyewitnesses that saw Him alive after He rose. (1 Corinthians 15) There has to be something super-human to explain this, because humans cannot do this on their own power.

FallentoReason: No, but a god can do this on their own.

THE God.

FallentoReason: So... where's the sacrifice again?

I do not see anyone lining up to volunteer to be crucified. Jesus did it of His own free will.

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BettyG:Have you ever read about crucifixion? This web site describes it;
http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/crucifixion.htm
It was a sacrifice for Jesus to have His hands and feet punctured in a way that cause excruciating pain for three hours,

FallentoReason: Pffft! 3 hours?! God is eternal. A finite punishment is drowned out by an infinite life.
BettyG: Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. He was fully capable of feeling excruciating pain. 

BettyG: have to put pressure on His feet to pull Himself up for every breath, and endure the embarrassment of hanging there naked. How willing would anyone be to do that? Only great love, super human love could do that.

FallentoReason: Or if you're all-powerful, because nails ain't gonna do crap.
BettyG:They put holes in His hands. Try it and see how it feels. 

BettyG:He did this all the while knowing He was innocent of the "crime" of blasphemy because He is God, not just claiming to be.

FallentoReason: And he did this while being all-knowing... knowing that he was going to see the light of day again.
BettyG: How does knowing the future take away the pain one is experiencing NOW?

BettyG: But you are digressing from the topic of miracles. So let's get back to that. How could Jesus, if He were merely human, rise from the dead?

FallentoReason: Because he's divine.
BettyG: Yes, and fully human. 

BettyG: When a Roman soldier thrust a lance through His heart, there is no way He could not be thoroughly dead.

FallentoReason: You can't kill a god. That's why there was no sacrifice.
BettyG:I realize it is difficult to comprehend that Jesus could be both fully human and divine at the same time. The Romans killed His human flesh, not His divinity.

BettyG:There were 500 eyewitnesses that saw Him alive after He rose. (1 Corinthians 15) There has to be something super-human to explain this, because humans cannot do this on their own power.

FallentoReason: No, but a god can do this on their own.
BettyG:Right. THE God, not a god. 
FallentoReason:: So... where's the sacrifice again?

BettyG: I do not see anyone lining up to volunteer to be crucified. Jesus did it of His own free will. 

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I think you are making a religion out of science. Science can only tell us about physical things. It is limited in its ability to tell us about truth. It cannot be used to explore metaphysical things. Only reason, logic and intuition are appropriate tools for metaphysical topics.

Miracles(supposedly) are physical phenomena. Therefore, science is the tool to use to discern them from natural ones.

They are historical events.