(June 12, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Pandas United Wrote: You're coming at the position as if apologists have ever said "everything needs a creator but the creator" which is begging the question. If you actually knew the correct premises of the arguments (i.e. everything that begins to exist, or all contingent things need a prior cause) then you'd see that there is no problem in saying God does not need a creator since He is eternal. Thus destroying your "special pleading" argument.
I cannot believe people actually think this is a legitimate objection.
Well, it is a plot device that has you guys all hung up by your balls.
http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-God.html
Quote:Question: "What does it mean that God is eternal?"
Answer: The word eternal means "everlasting, having no beginning and no end." Psalm 90:2 tells us about God’s eternality: “Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.” Since humans measure everything in time, it is very hard for us to conceive of something that had no beginning, but has always been, and will continue forever. However, the Bible does not try to prove God’s existence or His eternality, but simply begins with the statement “In the beginning God…” (Genesis 1:1), indicating that at the beginning of recorded time, God was already in existence. From duration stretching backward without limit to duration stretching forward without limit, from eternal ages to eternal ages, God was and is forever.
The problem is for you to work out. I won't speak for anyone else. I think your bible is nothing but bullshit just like every other religion.