(June 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm)BettyG Wrote: merriam-webster.com Definition of SACRIFICE
1: an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar
2: something offered in sacrifice
3a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else
b : something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by parents>
1: Jesus offered Himself to the Father.
1: *Jesus offered Himself to the Father a.k.a. Himself
Quote:2: Jesus offered Himself.
2: *Jesus offered Himself [to Himself]
Quote:3 He offered Himself for the forgiveness of sins.
3: *He offered Himself [to Himself] for the forgiveness of sins [of which He "invented"]
Quote:4: He suffered the injustice of a shameful death, though He was innocent.
Innocent or guilty, it doesn't even matter. The penalty wasn't effective because he came back to life.
Can you see how senseless this is yet? Here's an overview of what's actually happening:
OT god: "humanity needs to live up to the commandments"
*intermission: events take place*
NT god: "humanity needs to accept my forgiveness"
What's the nature of this "intermission" stage? Well, since it's God fooling around with himself, his thought process presumably went something like this:
OT god: "I've set up the system by which humanity ought to live and how they will be judged. Maybe it's time for a change though? I know, I'll perform some trivial events of which I know will play out in my favour (because I'm god, duh). This way, I can convince myself that my self-"sacrifice" is enough to make myself change my mind on how I will run things!"
There is nothing that is being "conquered" (a word Christians love in their circles) or nothing that is being "defeated". There's no sacrifice or no gift that I can accept, because no transaction was made, no money deposited elsewhere at the expense of someone, nothing lost or given up willingly. It's simply an entity fooling around with itself. The entire thing reduces to a god that is the same yesterday, today and forever paradoxically changing its mind. It's not a sacrifice, it's a change of mind dressed up as a sacrifice. Preach this philosophically redundant message if you want, but what is there to receive? Absolutely nothing.The whole concept is simply nauseating to think about and hardly the stuff of a rational omnimax entity. End of.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle