RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
June 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2013 at 3:53 pm by Ryantology.)
(June 21, 2013 at 11:12 pm)BettyG Wrote: It boils down to my list of authorities versus yours. Why is it that no one doubted Christ's existence for more than the first 1800 years? The weight of history is against your side.
Why is it that no one doubted that weather was god-magic? Or that the earth was only 6000 years old? Myths persist when very few people are able to scrutinize them in depth. Most the Bible's claims could not be easily dismissed while science was not yet adequate to properly explain how the universe actually works. Oh, and let's not forget how the Christian churches of the world have long gone out of their way to dissuade critical examination of their myths through threats of violence and an afterlife in hell.
Quote:In spite of all the evidence in favor of Christ, I don't think it is absolutely necessary that anyone wrote about Him. Who says that a person has to have been written about to prove they existed? I would assume that it was so taken for granted that no one ever thought that some 1800-2000 years later that documentation would be needed by skeptics like you.
Because, even the most credulous need something physical to justify believing in something obviously not in touch with reality, even if it's just words on paper. If nobody wrote down "God's" word, the god you worship would have faded into obscurity thousands of years ago and the Jesus myth would have never derived from it.
Quote: Of all the 6 billion people alive today, how many have had a book written about them?
Millions. Check the biography section of a library or bookstore. Anybody who achieves any sort of remarkable fame gets books written about them.
Not that this proves anything. Frodo Baggins had a book written about him, too, and there's every bit as much legitimate evidence that he is real.
Quote:Do you doubt the Trojan war? We have more proof that Jesus was alive than we do of that event.
People thought that Troy was mythical until people discovered the ruins of the city. You know, physical evidence.
Quote:What other historical events do you doubt? Or is it only the ones that would change the way you live, i.e. your morality or lifestyle?
To some greater or lesser degree, all of them. The more evidence there is to support a cited historical event, the likelier it is I accept it, and there's always the possibility that future discoveries may disrupt what we currently believe to be true. That's what it's like when you're not willing to accept anything purely on the basis of faith. Not that I would change anything about myself if your God wasn't a myth. I would oppose your God if he was there to oppose.
Quote:Also, it is inconsistent to say Islam is a religion of peace, yet promise 72 virgins to those who die in battle. He is not my kind of religious leader.
One who doesn't pretend that his religion is inherently violent and hateful?