RE: Russia embraces religious intolerance with draconian blasphemy and anti-gay laws
June 24, 2013 at 6:24 pm
(June 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Belief is inapplicable, relativism is a fact. Mathematics is quantifiable, the closest correlary to "relative" mathematics would be the different ways in which an identical solution is reached (and or the different names of measure). Logic is demonstrable. Morality is relative if only because it is tied to goals and preconception - neither of which are uniform between groups of people. If you agree to a and b then x is moral/immoral. If there is no agreement, no decision as to z's morality can be made that extends beyond the conception of those who agreed in a and b.
How is mathematics quantifiable, logic demonstrable, and how do you know relativism is a fact?
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I don't care, so long as it's illegal when that chaotic manner negatively impacts another.
Why should it be illegal?
(June 24, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Relativism does not make it invalid to have an opinion. It only means that you can't ultimately justify asserting that your opinion is objectively more valid than another's.
Why can’t someone assert their opinion is objectively more valid than someone else’s?
Quote: My moral code centers on human happiness.
Why Human happiness? How do you measure happiness? What is happiness?
(June 24, 2013 at 4:47 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Atheism renders morality meaningless? Rrrreeeaaallllyyy, Waldorf I expected more than that as your argument. Let me spell it out very simply for you.
《《 E X I S T E N C I A L R I G H T S 》》
Write that down.
Ok, I did, now what?
Quote: I don't give a flying fuck if you can enslave me, or kill me, or steal from me. Its not your right.
It’s not my right according to whom? What if I believe I have an existential right to enslave or kill you? Can you prove I am wrong?
Quote: you and I are equals.
How do you know that? Where’s your proof that all Humans are equals? I agree with that, but for Christian reasons, where are your reasons?
Quote: There is nothing that makes your existence more or less important than mine and for you to interfere in mine, its wrong.
It’s wrong according to whom? You merely asserting it is wrong does not make it so. Why is Human life more important than that of bacteria, a tree, a whale, a dog, a fly? Is it all just matter? How are you measuring importance?
Quote: FIVE year olds get this concept, why can't you?
Five year olds believe in the concept of Santa Claus; that does not prove that I should too. Prove I should also believe in this concept.
Quote: Atheism does not negate the value of life, fucktard. It just explains it without a bunch of cockameme bullshit.
I must have really touched a nerve, that usually indicates you’re position is weak. You have explained nothing so far, so asserting that atheism can explain any of this is something yet to be seen; so far my initial statement that atheism undermines morality seems to be accurate. Where do existential rights come from? How do you know they exist? Does everything that exists have them? Why or why not?
Quote: If you love them russians so much go live there. Then I can laugh at you as you lose your freedom to believe as you wish.
Nope, I like living in a nation where people like you are a tiny minority.