I went through the entire thread, more or less, and I still do not understand what you define as a miracle. In other words, if i see something, what criteria does it have to meet for you to consider it a miracle? Keep in mind that I'm godless and cannot pray to ask god.
And here again you say that we must scrutinize apparent miracles for explanations and rule them out if we find one. So you mean anything we cannot explain would be a miracle, then? Would you agree that some people on this planet are smarter and more knowledgeable than others and can explain more than others? Are miracles subjective? What's a miracle to you, isn't a miracle to another christian?
I have yet to put forth an argument, and have never read Hume, please respond with what you really think and don't call me a hume disciple or accuse me of circular reasoning.
(June 26, 2013 at 7:06 pm)BettyG Wrote: Very few events qualify to be called miracles; that is, they must stand up to intense scrutiny to eliminate all natural causes, fraud, and mental problems. Catholics require the event to be confirmed by non-believers to be beyond natural explanations before it is declared to be worthy of belief.You said earlier that einstein's relativity means we cannot rule out things as impossible because now natural laws are undefined and anything could be natural we just wouldn't know it (I do not agree with this btw, I'm just trying to establish what your position is). So am I right if I say that you mean miracles are things we cannot explain by existing "natural laws" but that are actually natural and not supernatural in origin? If so, in your scenario the christian god is natural and bounded by natural laws? That would make him falsifiable and not only that, falsified. As someone pointed out earlier.
And here again you say that we must scrutinize apparent miracles for explanations and rule them out if we find one. So you mean anything we cannot explain would be a miracle, then? Would you agree that some people on this planet are smarter and more knowledgeable than others and can explain more than others? Are miracles subjective? What's a miracle to you, isn't a miracle to another christian?
I have yet to put forth an argument, and have never read Hume, please respond with what you really think and don't call me a hume disciple or accuse me of circular reasoning.