RE: God said this...God said that......
June 28, 2013 at 8:44 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2013 at 8:50 am by Cyberman.)
This thread is like a box of chocolates - you're spoiled for choice, it's hard to know when to stop and all the experts tell you it plays havoc with your blood pressure.
Nonetheless, I shall indulge myself. Caution: the following is likely to leave a sticky mess on your fingers (and it's been years since I last used that phrase).
This is a fascinating bit of misdirection. By swapping out the concept of gold, which we can all agree exists, with "God" which has nothing like as much certainty, you apparently think you have made the two things sound equally likely to be discovered. We can see gold, feel it, measure it, taste it if that's your thing. When you can do even a fraction of any of these things with "God", then we can talk.
To illustrate, as well as to demonstrate how unreasonable all this equivocation looks, what if I told you there's a million dollars under your bed?
Then perhaps you should. Easy answers to difficult questions invariably end up being exposed as sterile air, utterly bereft of useful information. This is particularly true of platitudes masquerading as answers.
Ooh look at me, being all mystical and deep!
That you are forced to rely on poetic imagery and sophistry is fascinatingly revealing.
Other than artfully skirting Fidel's beautifully incisive point, the real problem is that you are imposing onto him - and by extension, all sceptical inquirers - the desire to see not gold but "God" presented on a silver platter. The real irony is that even if you stacked up all the "God"-ness and all the evidence for it on a silver platter, all you would have to show is the silver platter. At least we know for certain that's real.
Nonetheless, I shall indulge myself. Caution: the following is likely to leave a sticky mess on your fingers (and it's been years since I last used that phrase).
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: Now when you think that i implying that you are wrong to me is like to judge that guy that say that there is no gold to be found under the ground when he never attempt to dig the soil.
If you say that God does not exist when you never attempt to dig within is a bit too ambitious.
This is a fascinating bit of misdirection. By swapping out the concept of gold, which we can all agree exists, with "God" which has nothing like as much certainty, you apparently think you have made the two things sound equally likely to be discovered. We can see gold, feel it, measure it, taste it if that's your thing. When you can do even a fraction of any of these things with "God", then we can talk.
To illustrate, as well as to demonstrate how unreasonable all this equivocation looks, what if I told you there's a million dollars under your bed?
(June 10, 2013 at 6:48 am)enrico Wrote:(June 9, 2013 at 10:10 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Don't be evasive.
Why should i be? I have no problem in answering your questions.
Then perhaps you should. Easy answers to difficult questions invariably end up being exposed as sterile air, utterly bereft of useful information. This is particularly true of platitudes masquerading as answers.
Ooh look at me, being all mystical and deep!
(June 10, 2013 at 6:48 am)enrico Wrote: The spirit within is God therefore you can not not believe in God and believe at the same time.
The moon reflect her image in the lake.
From different position you can see a myriad of moon but the moon is only one.
At the same time you can see a myriad of people and things but they are all reflection of the same entity.
The spirit within is just one of the many reflection of the same entity so if you really understand how all the system works then you would know that you can not believe in the two opposite at the same time.
That you are forced to rely on poetic imagery and sophistry is fascinatingly revealing.
(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote:(June 9, 2013 at 10:10 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: You will have seen us asking for evidence of your claims (not dogmatic), to which you have either refused to, or been unable to, provide. This is us 'digging for gold', and finding nothing but soil.
Your word EXPLORATION is the right word to describe someone interested in finding out something.
The problem with you is that without EXPLORING you would like to see the gold brought to you in a silver plate.
Other than artfully skirting Fidel's beautifully incisive point, the real problem is that you are imposing onto him - and by extension, all sceptical inquirers - the desire to see not gold but "God" presented on a silver platter. The real irony is that even if you stacked up all the "God"-ness and all the evidence for it on a silver platter, all you would have to show is the silver platter. At least we know for certain that's real.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'