Atheism and morality

[Inigo]

If you accept that morality does not really exist if atheism is true, then you agree with me. YOu accept that no acts are really right or wrong if atheism is true.

How are no acts 'really' right or wrong if atheism isn't true? How do I know these 'instructions' are really right? Who is this god person anyway?

We as humanity make something right or wrong, based on our understanding of the universe around us, and how, subjectively we 'feel' about certain things. And we can quite literally, feel the pain of others around us. I find that plenty fine.

No, moral instructions are not instructions we issue to ourselves because those instructions would not have inescapable rational authority.

We can't make something right or wrong. Try it. Solve world injustice by just instructing yourself to promote world poverty. That would make world poverty 'morally good' if your view is correct. So just try it. Try it right now - issue an instruction to yourself to promote world poverty and see if world poverty ceases to be unjust.

It won't, will it? The wrongness of an act is not to do with you. You didn't make it wrong. Why? because morality instructs and its instructions have inescapable rational authority. You can instruct, but your instructions lack inescapable rational authority.

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Er, no. I've argued why umpteen times. Only the instructions of an agent who has control over your interests in an afterlife would be ones we'd always have reason to comply with whatever she wished us to do. Moral instructions are instructions we have reason to comply with whatever it instructs us to do. So far as I can see, then, that's the only way something with all the characteristics of a moral instruction can exist: it requires a god.

And this all sounds like you just saying shit. Carry on, I accidentally replied to this thread thinking it was another.

What an intelligent response. Well worth making. Well done. You are a great mind.