Dumb Things Theists Say

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I might just add that all these "higher brains" did was set up the conditions necessary for the foxes to be able to do the hard part by themselves, essentially recreating the natural environment - which is the whole point of these experiments. If living organisms didn't have the capacity to breed and evolve built in already, it's hardly likely that scientists would be able to get them to do it. And what purpose would that serve, if they were presenting findings that weren't there? How's that evolutionary conspiracy thing coming along there, G-C?

I forget who said this and can't be arsed to look it up, but no matter how sophisticated the science the easiest way to make babies (for the most part ) is through unskilled labour.

You and I know that, Stimbo, because we actually care to moderate our discourse in accordance with the truth. GC, on the other hand, decided the experiments yielded incorrect results before he had even begun learning about them, if he actually learned anything at all.

That's why it's the same old stuff his ilk use whenever we try to bring up dog breeds too: "they're all still dogs! An intelligence made it happen! Change within da species!" But here's the thing: short of artificial insemination or some complex series of harnesses, the breeding part of the equation is all down to the animals, and even if it wasn't... what exactly are we testing here? The experiment isn't somehow rendered invalid because people were involved; it's not like we were testing to see if foxes would breed by themselves or anything.

The experiment was about changes in gene frequencies. Which happened. Very clearly.