Atheism and morality

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Why on earth do you think I prefer 'enforcement'?
And I have already said, quite clearly, that talk of 'god's morality' just demonstrates a failure to grasp what is being said. I don't know what you mean when you talk of a 'god's morality'. Do you mean a god's moral beliefs? Or what? You're conceptually confused. Morality just 'is' a god's instructions and favourings. the god doesn't 'have' a morality, morality isn't something you 'have'. (Would you like anything with your coffee, sir? yes please, I'll have some morality with it if you've got any)

My view allows that what is right or wrong can alter over time. It does not entail that it has changed, just that it can. You seemed to think my view implied morality was fixed over time (and that this was a problem). I explained that it had no such implication and wondered why on earth you thought it did. You provided no answer. I explained that my view allows that right and wrong can alter over time, and now you consider THAT a problem. Odd. Seems you think morality is, and is not, fixed! More evidence that you're fundamentally confused.

But anyway, there is no problem if morality turns out to be fixed over time, and no problem if it isn't. My view allows that morality can alter over time. There is no problem here. No contradictions are generated. And it does not imply that if you sense that something is wrong that everyone else senses is right then it must be wrong for you and right for everyone else. If I sense that it is wrong for YOU to x and you sense that it is right for you to x we are disagreeing. It can't be right and wrong for you to x.

Now you are just being disingenuous. You have said something to the effect of God's punishment for not obeying her rules - if that isn't enforcement what is.

God's morality?

From another poster:

“Second mistake. You regard "morality" as some sort of physical aspect of the world - referring to moral "phenomena" or "sensations". As if morality were an aspect of the the universe like shape or color, which can be sensed of felt. This creates a false dichotomy where if it exists, then it exists independently and as an aspect of reality and if it doesn't then it is illusory.

Your response:

Once again, I 'conclude' that it is. Just telling me what I conclude - even if you do it in a certain tone and really dislike it - does not amount to any kind of challenge to my view or justify rejecting it. Morality is an agent, a kind of god, and I have explained why it must be. What you are doing is mistaking your dislike for this conclusion with a fault in my argument. "

Hardly something worth bringing up on your side was it!

Also notice that is was you that "concluded" morality as a physical aspect - so don't attempt to poke fun at me for using your ludicrous position in this argument.

The reason I thought your God's morality was fixed over time is that this is how all religions paint it - and you argue like a religious person.

That you now paint an inconsistent morality is even more of a problem that a fixed one. Lets not kid ourselves here - we are stuck in your imaginary world - not mine. I see no external morality outside of humanity - you do - I am playing by your rules and you are mocking me for it - bit rich.

I am not fundamentally confused - I cannot speak for you.

“No, the reverse is true. My belief that Xing is wrong contradicts your belief that Xing is right if and only if we are talking about the same morality. So, my belief that Xing is wrong is the belief that morality instructs us not to X. Your belief that Xing is right is the belief that morality instructs us to X. These beliefs contradict. But they are beliefs about one morality.
If my belief was that morality1 instructs us not to X, and your belief was that morality2 instructs us to X then our beliefs do not contradict. “

Here is a part of what originally fooled me that you thought there was no right or wrong position. That God merely flagged up that there was a moral issue.

What you have not addressed is what use this moral God when her communications can be so differently interpreted.

Further, the use of morality1 and morality2 is a typical religious construction to deny an obvious contradiction.