Atheism and morality

[Inigo]

22 pages later, and nothing new.... typical theist...
I have to commend you on trying to answer everyone.

I still think you're wrong on your notion on "moral belief" vs "morality", but it seems no amount of typing will make you understand it...
Let me try to keep it real simple and short:
- Morality comes both from the evolution of our species as a societal one, and from agreed upon principles within each group.

You say that I am wrong to distinguish between moral beliefs and morality itself (the object of the belief). Can you explain?

Beliefs have objects - things they are about. So there is always a belief, and then what the belief is about. If you accept that there are moral beliefs, what are they about if not morality? They're not beliefs about cheese. They're beliefs about morality. hence 'moral' beliefs. I don't know what you mean by a moral belief unless you mean a belief about morality. That's how I use the term.

So, my belief that Xing is wrong is a moral belief for wrongness is a moral feature and I believe Xing to have it.
The wrongness is not the belief. That's incoherent. For then what is the belief 'about'? itself? How can a belief be about itself?

YOu then proceed to do what everyone else does - you provide a causal story about the development of our moral beliefs. Yes, assume I accept it. That is not a story about how morality has come into being. It is just a story about how we have come to 'believe' that morality exists.