RE: Atheism and morality
July 8, 2013 at 9:52 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2013 at 10:06 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(July 8, 2013 at 5:16 pm)Inigo Wrote: I'm not even going to read a quote from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is written by people like you. YOu might as well quote your diary at me or show me the picture you made at school with a potato and some crayons.
You're right, it IS written by people like me; it's written by people who must cite sources that must be peer-reviewed and considered valid by the community of thought associated with it. The fact you have a problem with it is already a clear indicator of just how likely you are to change your mind from your stubborn, unfounded stance.
Quote:But I can tell already that the quote above is referring to the development of moral phenomena, not morality itself and so is completely beside the point.
You're arguing that morality must have a basis in some goddess of some kind or another, yet when I cite a source that itself cites sources from numerous biological scientists who state that the cause of evolution is actually an evolutionary reaction to our being a socially-dependent species, which is something that fits with observations of other such species in nature, you immediately dismiss it and say that it's beside the point. ...OK. Yeah. I can see where the fuck this is going.
Quote:Anyway, you admitted that you had trouble understanding my arguments and wondered whether the problem was with you or me. It's you.
Interesting that you seem so very, very certain of this. Your post reeks of someone who just immediately assumes they must be right because they feel it in their gut without going back and thinking about whether or not they've fucked up. I have my answer on that, now. That was a test to see if you'd review yourself to determine the validity of your argument, and you failed miserably. That alone is enough to convince me this is not a "debate" as you claim but just you taking a stance and refusing to budge no matter how much it fails against every definition of logical discourse. This is just you having a mental jerkoff session in public, little else, it's not a debate, don't besmirch the name of debate with this fallacious garbage, that's just insulting to everyone who actually enjoys taking part in genuine debate and intellectual discourse.
Quote:If you found those arguments difficult to follow then I'm afraid you fall below the threshold level of intelligence needed to engage in profitable debate and you should resign from this discussion at once.
Ad hominem fallacy. Fallacy, fallacy, fallacy, your entire thought process is one big giant fucking fallacy of logic. There is no "debate" with you, just you running around in circles trying to square them and refusing to hear any points that aren't compatible with your narrow interpretations while you desperately try to convince everyone that your logic is totally valid even though it runs contrary to the very definition of logic and is wholly incompatible with actual debate, and is instead defined more as pointless, baseless argument, which I'm sorry but I'm just not interested in partaking. I'm going to resign myself from the discussion, alright, but not because I "fall below the threshold of intelligence" [and do tell me, what WAS this imaginary threshold, exactly? Or is it just something fictitious you invented to make you feel better about yourself, ya smug fuck?], but rather because screaming at a brick wall doesn't do anything, I've found.
(July 8, 2013 at 6:24 pm)Inigo Wrote: I am not a theist. I use the term 'theist' to refer to someone who believes in the existence of a creator god who is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly morally good. THe god I believe in is NONE of those things.
What fucking dictionary are YOU using?! Oh, right, the dictionary of whatever the fuck you feel, not a dictionary based in reality. Kind of like your entire fucking argument
Quote:the·ism
[thee-iz-uhm]
noun
1.
the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism ).
2.
belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism ).
You believe in a god? You're a theist. Deal with it. You clearly have no fucking clue what the fuck you are talking about. EVERYTHING you say reeks of someone just speaking from their gut with no basis for it whatsoever.

Yeah, fuck this, y'all have fun with this guy, I just can't take him seriously.