Atheism and morality

[paulpablo]

But just to clarify, when you say morality you aren't talking about morality in the way someone might use the word in saying personal morals, or what someone senses to be right or wrong, you are talking about a right or wrong which no human would know about, which has been divinely chosen someone more powerful?

What is someone talking about when they talk about 'personal morals'? Are these a person's beliefs about which acts are right or wrong?

I have no clue why you attribute to me the view that morality is something the content of which no human could know about. I have never, ever said that - so I don't know where you're getting it from.

If the god morality presupposes exists then you find out what is right or wrong the regular way - you engage in NORMATIVE moral theorising. So, you try to systemise the deliverances of your moral sense reports.

What we call 'science' is just an attempt to systemise the deliverances of our sense of sight and touch.

What we call 'normative ethics' is just attempts to systemise the deliverances of our moral sense.

Perhaps we are never in a position to be able to 'know' that a given act is right, or a given act wrong. But if that's the case (and I'm not at all sure it is) this has noting to do with morality presupposing a god. Rather, it has to do with the fact (if it is a fact) that our moral sense is not sufficiently reliable.

When I say no human could know about I mean know for sure, as a certainty.

It still seems to me that you're basing your belief in the existence of something on what the definition of a word is, morality is inescapable rational instructions, death is inescapable, god must exist.

There's still no proof that the inescapable instructions exist, which morals are truly right or wrong or that they are are inescapable.