Are these guys living in the same dimension? They have a real hang-up about this stuff. I think that they enjoy feeling like "lowly, unworthy sinners" There's something S/M-ish about this.....
"I used to be messed up on drugs, now I'm messed up on the Lord. Jesus can help you to!" - Cheech and Chong - Big Bambu

“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”
― Christopher Hitchens
"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana
"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin
― Christopher Hitchens
"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana
"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin