RE: Atheism and morality
July 10, 2013 at 12:00 am
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2013 at 12:08 am by fr0d0.)
(July 9, 2013 at 7:23 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(July 9, 2013 at 7:21 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've never seen a claim that God exists. So your atheism seems to be groundless)
If there is no verifiable claim that god exists, theism is rather groundless.
That just shows your thorough lack of understanding of your subject.
There can be no verifiable evidence for the supernatural, unless you have a supernatural detective on your team.
Christianity is the claim of belief through faith. Never more. Existence has to be an unknown.
At the root of Inigo's claim here there lies an assumption. A case in point.
(July 9, 2013 at 7:26 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(July 9, 2013 at 7:21 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've never seen a claim that God exists. Care to point me to one?
(Mine and other theists claim of belief in God of course attracts no burden. So your atheism seems to be groundless)
Okay, unless you're referring to in this thread only, and you've managed to memorize hundreds of posts, you're lying when you say you've never encoumtered the claim that 'God exists'. I mean hell, one could just as easily plop open the Bible and find a verse clearly stating that God exists, such as when Paul refers to "God's glory and power have been clearly seen, so that they are without excuse" [for not believing].
OK great. You should have no problem to pointing me to one example then.
(July 9, 2013 at 7:30 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Even saying that you believe in God is a claim for a deity.
What I and other Christians claim is not independently verifiable proof, is the point. The claim we're dealing with here is that the person is an atheist for the reason that there lacks verifiable evidence, when such evidence would be logically impossible. -therefore- that persons basis for atheism is unfounded.