Atheism and morality

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So you accept that gmorality presupposes a god? I assume the answer is 'yes'

Yes.

and that you think that by re-labelling you can somehow undermine my case.

No. I know that by relabeling it I show that your intended case - that atheism is incompatible with morality - doesn't exist.

No, because the label doesn't matter.

Unless you are posting the definition in each and every post so as not to accidentally deceive someone who hasn't waded through 48 pages to look for your redefinition - it matters very much.

I've shown that instructions and favourings that possess inescapable rational authority require a god.

Don't forget external. Remember, you can't presuppose god without an external agent.

Now, so long as you really do use the term 'morality' to refer to something other than instructions and favourings that possess inescapable rational authority, then you can safely say that I have not shown you that what YOU label 'morality' presupposes a god.

And given that nobody other than you uses the term to mean "external instructions possessing inescapable rational authority" you have not shown anyone what everyone labels as 'morality' presupposes a god.

But that doesn't matter because I'm interested in analysing what Kant, Socrates, Plato and others were talking about. And that WAS instructions and favourings that possess inescapable rational authority.

Wrong. Nobody defines morality like that. None of them define morality as "external instructions possessing inescapable rational authority". The closest would be Kant - who did argue for inescapable rational authority - but his moral instructions were internally formulated.

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No, I refer to instructions that have inescapable rational authority as 'moral' instructions. I have argued that only the instructions of a god would have those features and therefore that morality presupposes a god.

That's precisely what I said you did. You start by defining it with a feature that could only come from an agent who you'd call god and then go on to show that it presupposes god. That's called begging the question.