(June 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:What I dislike about atheism is that it requires one to reject reality. You have to deny history. You have to deny that God acts in this world today.(June 10, 2013 at 10:03 pm)BettyG Wrote: I hear a circular argument: If miracles are impossible, the report of any miraculous event must be false, and therefore, miracles are impossible.
No, sorry. It is not circular because:
(June 10, 2013 at 10:03 pm)BettyG Wrote: I am defining miracles as special acts of God in the world.
So you're making an claim of objective fact. As there is no evidence of such an occurance, it is not circular to dismiss it. Actually it's common sense.
In fact, reading through your posts, it seems that you're the one posting a lot of circular arguments.
That said, I find the term 'anti-supernaturalism' odd. It presumes that the 'supernatural' (never heard a consensual definition on this term) is a viable idea worthy of active debate. It's not until evidence comes forward that allows us to test and re-test the claims to provide verifiable (no repeatable) data sets. To me its just hokum.
You have to deny that science has limits. You have to have faith that you cannot know truth. You have to believe everything is relative. You have to start with the assumption of skepticism of things that are common sense and logical. You have to believe that this incredibly complex universe is just an accident. This is totally irrational. It is as if atheists start with a conclusion that God does not exist, and then work backward to make reality fit their conclusion.
If Jesus did not exist, there would have been multiple people would would object and set the record straight. No one ever did. The early Church fathers like Irenaeus loved to stamp out heresy. They would have jumped on this with a vengeance. This "Jesus is a myth" myth started in the 1800's. It is not like the Christians didn't have enough time to refute Christ's existence. It would have been refuted by the second century.
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I really don't have enough time to participate in this forum. It's been fun.