RE: Hello everyone!!
December 2, 2008 at 11:00 am
(This post was last modified: December 2, 2008 at 11:12 am by CoxRox.)
EvidenceVsFaith, to take your fist comment first:
'Errr, doesn't that completely contradict the parts in the bible when it says atheists shall go to hell? Or do you already know that?'
Daystar has hopefully shown that hell is not a place of consciousness, but is the common grave where eveyone goes. The same mistranslations that gave rise to the pagan belief of hell have also resulted in words in the bible being translated 'forever' when they mean for a period of time. The Greek word 'aion' mostly translated 'for ever' actually means a set period of time, so should be more correctly translated 'age'. So death, judgement, suffering, these things will only last for a set period of time. I can supply more examples (also Hebrew words) where the words have been mistranslated for anyone interested. Once this is understood, many of Christs 'threatenings' take on a whole new meaning, and in line with the God of love :
'This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.' 1 Timothy 4:9-11
YOu then go on to discuss why we die and I must admit that it is logical to assume that humans, just like all other matter here and in the universe is finite. Everything has an end: the suns, the planets etc, as well as all living beings. As I believe in the laws of physics, I can't imagine 'perfect' humans living on a finite planet with a finite sun, so to me this suggests that our mortal bodies are meant to die. I may be wrong here, but the fact it says we are to have immortal bodies and the New Heaven and New Earth will not be bound by the laws of physics (it says the sun will not light up the new Earth, but God, -it's in Revelation somewhere, I can find if anyone wants exact verse) suggests that everything up to now is temporary or for an age or ages. (It's a good job the New Earth won't be relying on our sun , as it will burn up one day).
'Errr, doesn't that completely contradict the parts in the bible when it says atheists shall go to hell? Or do you already know that?'
Daystar has hopefully shown that hell is not a place of consciousness, but is the common grave where eveyone goes. The same mistranslations that gave rise to the pagan belief of hell have also resulted in words in the bible being translated 'forever' when they mean for a period of time. The Greek word 'aion' mostly translated 'for ever' actually means a set period of time, so should be more correctly translated 'age'. So death, judgement, suffering, these things will only last for a set period of time. I can supply more examples (also Hebrew words) where the words have been mistranslated for anyone interested. Once this is understood, many of Christs 'threatenings' take on a whole new meaning, and in line with the God of love :
'This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.' 1 Timothy 4:9-11
YOu then go on to discuss why we die and I must admit that it is logical to assume that humans, just like all other matter here and in the universe is finite. Everything has an end: the suns, the planets etc, as well as all living beings. As I believe in the laws of physics, I can't imagine 'perfect' humans living on a finite planet with a finite sun, so to me this suggests that our mortal bodies are meant to die. I may be wrong here, but the fact it says we are to have immortal bodies and the New Heaven and New Earth will not be bound by the laws of physics (it says the sun will not light up the new Earth, but God, -it's in Revelation somewhere, I can find if anyone wants exact verse) suggests that everything up to now is temporary or for an age or ages. (It's a good job the New Earth won't be relying on our sun , as it will burn up one day).
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"
Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein
