Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism

[Undeceived]

So you do good things because you're grateful of the ability to do good things? Like I said, atheists don't need to feel grateful to do good things. Personally I don't like it when others suffer or have a bad day, so if it's within my power i'd help them out. That in turn helps me out, because we live in a society. But that's not my motivation to do good things, i like to do good things because it's evolutionarily selected that humans like to do good things. I'm just another product of evolution.

I'm capable of love. Why are you claiming my love is not real and crashing my party? If you need god to love someone, that's fine, don't claim that we need god as well.

Thanks for your input.

Above, you indicate that you love because it is programmed into you--i.e. you have no logical reason for it beyond preservation of the human race. So it seems it is you who claim your love is not real.

Let me put this another way. Without God, love has only one place to come from: within. But anything that comes from within must be inherently selfish, because your body is programmed to take care of itself. So genuine, unselfish love must come from somewhere else. God, for instance.

This isn't to say that programmed love is fake or pointless. But it is less free. Programmed love isn't a choice, in the way that selfless love is. Try this exercise: think of the person you hate most in life. Now love them, even to the point of death on their behalf. Can you do it?