Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism

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Thanks for your input.

Above, you indicate that you love because it is programmed into you--i.e. you have no logical reason for it beyond preservation of the human race. So it seems it is you who claim your love is not real.

You are human, love was programmed into you as well, whether you believe it or not doesn't change the facts. The bolded sounds rather logical to me.

Being born with the ability to love, and the reason for my having the ability to love is for the preservation of the human race, does not make my love unreal. Real, as opposed to what you're implying here, doesn't involve magic.

Let me put this another way. Without God, love has only one place to come from: within. But anything that comes from within must be inherently selfish, because your body is programmed to take care of itself. So genuine, unselfish love must come from somewhere else. God, for instance.

evolution has "programmed" (using your word here to avoid confusion) us to not only take care of ourselves, but also of our own. A lot of mothers are willing to die for their child, regardless if they're atheists or religious. Because preservation of your own is just as important for survival of the species in some cases. But you can bet that when a mum makes a decision like that she isn't thinking, ok, if i die for my baby, my species survives. It's emotional for her, it's barely rational (some would argue), because it's an instinct and a conscious choice fuelled by her desire to save her child, she doesn't need another reason. This is the product of evolution.

Now we love others for the same reason, because it's beneficial, whether we realize it or not.

This isn't to say that programmed love is fake or pointless. But it is less free. Natural love isn't a choice, in the way that selfless love is.

Love is a choice? Did you really say that? If it's a choice and i ask you to stop loving your mother for 10 seconds can you do it? You are no more in control of your love than I am. If I point to a woman you've never met before and say fall in love with her right now, then stop loving her after 2 hours, can you do it? What you have control over is your actions, not your love. And I fail to see why even if it's a choice, it'd be superior to godless love?

Edit: ahaha, saw your edit, interesting that you asked me the same question. Nope, i can't, and i won't. Why would i cause grieve to the people i love for someone i hate? I wouldn't do something that would upset the people I love, especially so unnecessarily. Can you do it? Your scenario I mean.