(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote: Is Heaven ( where God lives) of this world? Is it s physical place? Is Hell a place on the map you can go to? Even if you had a star ship could you plot a course to heaven or hell? No. It does not exist in this realm.
Your assumptions are what drive your understanding of heaven and hell. So, if you have some evidence to show how you know that these places are not of this reality, then perhaps the Mormons also have similar evidence to support their own doctrine that Heaven is actually a Solar System where God lives and that Hell is located on Earth. How do you know that your assumption is right, and that the Mormons' assumptions are wrong?
(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:Hmmm...I counted a few assumptions here. I especially liked the one about how we are transdimensional beings because apparently Hell is another realm or dimension or what have you.
then by all mean please provide the GPS coordinates to Heaven or hell, so we can dispel this theory and provide the rest of you with the "proof" of God you all have been looking for.
It's not up to me to prove your assumptions are right or wrong. All I'm doing is saying, "I don't see your evidence, so I don't feel the need to believe you." If you want coordinates (GPS coordinates beyond this world is a bit of a misnomer, since GPS only works on earth) then perhaps you should ask a faith that seems to know where these places are in this world, such as the Mormon Church. I'm not the person to answer your questions.
(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:We're held accountable to a test we didn't submit ourselves to? What a bastard! And all we get in order to pass this test are little clues and hints here and there? This guy God is a dick!
What makes you think you did not submit to this test? Is you memory your only bit-o-evidence? If so are you saying you did not exist in any capacity before you can physically remember existing? What did you do before your earliest memory? Did you not exist? Are you sure? Why? Now how are you sure your soul did not exist before your body did? How can you be sure if you did not have the hardware to log a physical memory?
That's a strawman argument, and I don't go after those. "I don't know" is all you'll get from me because I'm not too concerned with baseless assumptions. You can believe you existed before you were born, but you still need to provide evidence to your claim. If you cannot, you shouldn't tell others that these ideas of yours are true.
(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:So you're equating God putting us on earth as him sentencing us to a prison term...for a crime we never committed?crime is a term that describes a sin against society. And your right some of us live an entire life and do not commit a single crime. But all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I did not call you a criminal, you sport are a sinner like the rest of humanity.
Sorry, I tuned you out there because you were preaching.
(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:Where do you get off telling us that we're all criminals?criminal is your word old sport, I simply identified all of us myself included as sinners as the bible has.
If you're equating earth to a prison, and if, as you assert, we are put here by god, then we are condemned to this existence. If a person is in prison, then we can only assume that he/she committed some crime. "Criminal" may have been uttered by me, but it was a word unspoken by you. You just projected your own assertion onto the critic (me), and that is a fallacy of ignorance.
(July 24, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:If you really loved your fellow man, then you could start by not condemning us all in your head because of what you think your imaginary friend is telling you. Come down off of Bullshit mountain and join society, my friend!
i would counter by pointing out that society is a fair bit bigger than the small hedge you find acceptable. Because society does indeed include those who love and worship God.
Touche. I guess I want you to come join me on my hedge of awesomeness then.