I've argued about this point so many times on these forums that I'm only going to reply once, sorry. It's hardly worth replying at all because I doubt you'll suddenly change your mind. So, I hope that you understand:
I merely left out the possibility of being partly determined rather entirely one way or the other for brevity because since neither work at all having a bit of one and a bit of the other (however that would work) does fuck-all too of course.
Either we are determined or we are not (or partly, which I dealt with above).... and our own self-determination (meaning self-motivation) has to, ultimately, be motivated (determined) unconsciously from somewhere. I hope that you understand. I don't know how you define "free will" but I'm talking about the (non-political) libertarian sense of free will, google it.
(July 29, 2013 at 2:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: False dichotomy.
I merely left out the possibility of being partly determined rather entirely one way or the other for brevity because since neither work at all having a bit of one and a bit of the other (however that would work) does fuck-all too of course.
Quote:That's only true if "free-will" is somehow contingent upon "ultimate self-determination" - whatever that means.
Either we are determined or we are not (or partly, which I dealt with above).... and our own self-determination (meaning self-motivation) has to, ultimately, be motivated (determined) unconsciously from somewhere. I hope that you understand. I don't know how you define "free will" but I'm talking about the (non-political) libertarian sense of free will, google it.
