RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
July 30, 2013 at 9:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm by Captain Colostomy.)
(July 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm)BettyG Wrote:(July 28, 2013 at 6:12 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You know that the Jesus that people acknowledge that may have existed is not the Jesus that christians nowadays worship. I mean, it may have been the same person, but not necessarily, the same feats, the same origin, the same divinity.
According to Bart Ehrman, the Jesus that people followed in the first century was a prophet, a teacher of scripture.... Later, someone glued onto this figure a few earlier prophesies about a messiah... the virgin birth would be one of them... and after some time (~300 years, or some 6 to 9 generations) the view currently held arose.
Quote:About Krauss's nothing... it is a tentative explanation for the origin of our Universe. A Universe from the apparent nothingness. A nothingness which is composed of virtual quantum particles and fields.
You may ask, then, where did these fields and particles come from?
I may ask, then, where did your god come from?
To both questions, the "they were always there" may apply.
However, we have a CERN which attests that these fields exist..... whereas your (or anyone else's) god is remarkably empty of evidence for its existence outside the minds of believers like you.
I need to define some things about the nature of God.
The whole point I'm getting at is that there had to be some being that did not need to be created. This something we know from logic since the universe did not and cannot create itself. There had to be an intelligent being to create it because we observe a complex universe. God is the nth degree of perfection, so since to be a being is a greater perfection than not being a being, God is a being.
Nothing comes from nothing. God is not a thing, though Jesus did take on flesh about 0 AD give or take a few. Since He is uncreated, He is not limited by time and space. Instead, He created time and space. By definition, God is the uncaused cause of everything. God, by definition, is eternal, omniscient, and omnipotent.
The Higgs particle and other particles had to be created, so they exist in time and space because there was a time when they did not exist. So you cannot compare the characteristics of God to particles.
I think I peed a little.
