(July 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm)BettyG Wrote: I need to define some things about the nature of God.
Huh, silly me. I thought you just asserted some things baselessly and expected us all to swallow them.
Quote:The whole point I'm getting at is that there had to be some being that did not need to be created.
Knowledge claims are demonstrated, not just asserted. How do you know there needs to be this thing? How do you know it needs to be a being? And how do you know that being is necessarily your god?
Quote:This something we know from logic since the universe did not and cannot create itself.
And how do you know the universe hasn't just always existed in one form or another? See, according to your earlier quote, you already believe in eternal things that need no creation, you just want your presupposition about it being your god to be true. How can you possibly say that?
Quote: There had to be an intelligent being to create it because we observe a complex universe.
How do you know it's not just a necessary alignment of the laws of physics? And before you come back with "who created physics?" I'll need you to detail how you know physics needed to be created at all.
Quote: God is the nth degree of perfection, so since to be a being is a greater perfection than not being a being, God is a being.
Where did you hear that? Was it a bible? How do you know that book is true? How are you intending to demonstrate any existential claims about god?
Quote:Nothing comes from nothing.
Except your god, right?
Quote:God is not a thing,
Either you just admitted he doesn't exist, or that's the most lazy example of special pleading I've ever encountered.
Quote:Since He is uncreated, He is not limited by time and space. Instead, He created time and space.
She stated, arrogantly, without even a shred of evidence.
Quote: By definition, God is the uncaused cause of everything.
Definitions are formed by mutual consensus, and you'd better believe that I disagree with your proposal. No consensus, no definition. Enjoy language at work.
Quote: God, by definition, is eternal, omniscient, and omnipotent.
Nope.
See what I just did there? Didn't feel good, right? That approach is your entire post.
Quote:The Higgs particle and other particles had to be created, so they exist in time and space because there was a time when they did not exist. So you cannot compare the characteristics of God to particles.
You can't compare god to anything extant until you've demonstrated that he, too, exists. You got that in you?
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