(August 1, 2013 at 2:01 am)Undeceived Wrote:(July 31, 2013 at 3:38 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: And anyone who says the any such catalyst must be Supernatural should never be trusted.
Some thing/event/force caused the universe to begin. You believe that much, I hope. Whatever that thing/event/force was, it cannot be natural because it was not part of the universe. It is therefore supernatural.
http://orthosphere.org/2012/03/31/nature...in-itself/
That is where logic carries us, at least. You might assert that some things/events/forces are capable of causing themselves, but then you'd have to prove that (if you wish to adhere to the scientific method).
I like what you're saying, but trying to prove anything about religion with logic is dangerous. We'll end up going down the Rabbit Hole, my friend. We need to keep our Faith strong and trust that it will help us discern the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm okay that we don't know everything about the Universe yet. God does though. I'm certain that if he doesn't reveal it all to us in this lifetime, there's at least more life to live once we shed our mortal shells.