Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism

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Some thing/event/force caused the universe to begin. You believe that much, I hope.

Not necessarily. The universe as we understand it had a beginning, but there's nothing saying its component parts haven't always been floating around, and just had some form of event happen to them that made them as they are today.

We can't measure beyond the big bang, so why would we ever say anything about it, yet?

Whatever that thing/event/force was, it cannot be natural because it was not part of the universe. It is therefore supernatural.

Or a component of the natural world we haven't established yet. The problem here is that you're using a double whammy of false dichotomies and unfounded assertions: you're defining "natural" as only things within the universe as we currently understand it, and then erecting this false dichotomy that if it's not natural, it must be supernatural.

Well, no: the laws of physics are natural things and if, beyond the big bang, there was some configuration of physics that led to, say, a slow, rolling progression towards expansion into the universe we currently have, then what we've got is a natural thing beyond the universe we inhabit causing it to form.

You've got no basis for assuming a supernatural source to anything we don't currently understand, that's just an argument from ignorance. And it will fail you in the end; science isn't likely to stop discovering the real answers to things just because you'd like it to be god.

That is where logic carries us, at least.

Assuming you feed faulty premises into it, yes.

You might assert that some things/events/forces are capable of causing themselves, but then you'd have to prove that (if you wish to adhere to the scientific method).

Oh, like your god, you mean?