(July 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: Actually, if our will is acausal then we are equally not free because we can't will it ourself. If it is non-determined then we do not determine it either. We are part of the universe.
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Did you miss the point completely? I'm saying that your argument is valid if and only if the definition of 'free-will' is 'will that is determined completely by oneself and free from everything other than oneself'.
Suppose I use an alternate definition: "It is irrelevant what determined my will. Having free-will means having the freedom to act according to your will". For example, suppose it is my will that I should have a great deal of money and a comfortable life. It would be irrelevant that the reason for this will would be that I was very poor growing up and never had anything. If I have the freedom to pursue this goal of having money and a comfortable life, then I have free will. Free-will is not contingent on how the will is formed but on how it behaves.
Given this interpretation of free-will, your counter-argument would not apply at all.
