RE: Free will Argument against Divine Providence
August 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2013 at 1:02 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(August 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm)genkaus Wrote: Why does everyone keep spelling my name wrong?
I am not going to care about that, it looks better the way I spelt it anyway.
Quote:You are entitled to your opinion. What you are not entitled to is assuming your opinion is a fact and arguing from that assumption.
True. But I'm not doing that, which is illustrated by the fact that I said I'm just giving my opinion and not claiming it to be fact....
Quote:Libertarians don't see "chance as free-will" definition as useless and other libertarians don't regard "free-will without chance" as contradictory.Free will that is not chance and is not determinism... what's that?
And those who see "chance as free will" as not useless... how does that make sense? Would they regard all our actions being decided as dice rolls as "free will"? As Bennyboy argues, that's freedom without the will.
Quote:Neither is an established position, but if you enter a debate which presumes libertarian definition then trying to interject another definition makes for an invalid argument.
The fact I'm arguing against the definition demonstrates that I am questioning the soundness and not the validity.
(August 8, 2013 at 5:08 pm)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: "Free will" has a large effect on what our moral responsibility ultimately is.
Quote:It does. But moral responsibility is defined simultaneously with free-will.
If we are unconsciously determined or undetermined, there is no free will in any meaningful way and, yes, no moral responsiiblity in no meaningful way, in my opinion.
Quote:Just out of curiosity, how do you think your arguments apply to a dualist worldview?
What kind of dualism?
Whatever the kind, the point is that we are either unconsciously determined or unconsciously undetermined and either way we have no free will in a meaningful way, in my opinion.
