Quote:(August 9, 2013 at 2:04 pm)Chas Wrote:(August 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That isn't the Christian definition of faith Chas.
Please enlighten me. What evidence is there for your beliefs?
Pro tip: The Bible is not evidence. "Feeling the presence of Jesus" is not evidence.
Maybe it's just your reading skills that are out of whack.
zombie atheist: "evidence"
(August 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Chas Wrote: No, my reading skills are fine. It is your lack of critical thinking skills that is the problem.
And you clearly do not understand what constitutes evidence.
TWAT!
You ask about evidence when the question is about your misunderstanding of what faith in the Christian sense means.
Evidence zombie!
Here you are. I won't dumb it down for someone with such superior intelligence:
What is Faith:
Being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.
Consequently, notitia and fiducia without assensus is blind and therefore not faith. This shipwrecks the egregious canard that faith is merely a blind leap. Faith goes beyond reason—i.e., into the arena of trust—but never against reason. From the Enlightenment onwards, faith has been subject to constant attempts at redefining it into the realm of the irrational or irrelevant (e.g., Kant's noumenal category); but all such attempts are built on irresponsible straw man caricatures that bear no resemblance to faith as held under the Christian view: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.