Free will Argument against Divine Providence

[genkaus]

Since my statement is not a lie, when I state it I also think it which means that it is my opinion.

It's my opinion since I think it.

Given that you haven't shown your opinion to be true, it could very well be a lie.

Ultimate self-determination is impossible. Ultimately we are not determined by ourselves.

We are ultimately not self-determined.

Unless you subscribe to dualism, where ultimate self-determination is possible.

A gap in determination is just randomness or probabilisticality, neither of which are ourselves doing the determinining and thereby having free will, since for ourselves to do the determining that would require NO gap in determination AND our determination to be ultimately determined by ourselves and not all entirely determined, ultimately, by everything that is not our conscious self.

A gap in determination is a gap in self-determination.

Not according to emergentist philosophers. According to them, a gap in determination means room for self-determination to take place - not randomness of probability. Thus there is no final gap in determination, since the gap in physical determination is filled in by self-determination.

A gap in determinations is a gap for self-determination.

An absence of determinism is an absence of self-determinism.

Sez you.

It's a contradiction, no determination means no self determination.

There is a difference between no determination and indetermination.

With or without determinism there is no free will.

Only if we accept your definition of free will within your metaphysical context. We are not doing that.

Our consciousness doesn't determine itself ultimately, therefore our will isn't ultimately determined either.

That's incorrect. Within many contexts of dualism, your consciousness does determine itself ultimately.