(August 12, 2013 at 6:00 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:(August 12, 2013 at 3:42 am)Godschild Wrote: God makes no one suffer, it is a choice of each individual while living this life.
A choice, eh? Intersting. Can you show an example that supports you, at least, the conscious self that identifies with "You", is at all the author of your thoughts? When "you" "make" a decision, are you looking at a field of options in your mind before hind? Does your brain lay out all the information it has sotred pertaining to the decision at hand for you to consider before you select the option that best suits you, or is it more like thoughts appearing in your mind for you to "choose" from?
I make my decisions, based upon what I think through and accept the consequences, unlike those who want to blame anything and everyone for their bad decisions, in my part of the country we call that being cowardly. At least here we grow up to be men and women of principle.
Quote:Anyway, from where did those thoughts arise? If you don't know, you are certainly not the author of them, at least not the conscious "You" that you consider to be yourself. In fact, science has proved multiple times that your thoughts and decisions can be detected moments, sometimes even seconds before your conscious self even becomes aware of them! "You" is more accurately an uninvolved observer. A witness to thoughts and decisions that were made by your subconscious, which were molded for you by your genetics, your environment, your upbringing, life experiences, the free will part, is all an illusion.
You might be control by your thoughtless unconscious mind, however your weakness doesn't have to apply to me nor does it, sorry you feel so unable to stand up for what you believe. I suspect you are just looking for excuses so you do not have to face reality.
Quote:Even if you believe you have a soul, which I know you probably do, and you think that the material mind is NOT the only guiding entity, these truths are not affected. You can take no more credit for the types of things your soul guides you to than you can for the next words I'm about to say. You did not get to pick the soul you got anymore than I got to pick my subconcious. Be honest with yourself, and really consider what I'm telling you. You'll notice immediately that this is true. Even right now, while you read this, your subconscious is determining how you respond. If there's a God, he has already programmed us to end up in whatever bin he will ulitmately be sorting us into. Justice you say?
Are you preaching here, sounds like you're trying to convert me to your way of thinking. I'm always honest with myself, even to the point I know God convicts me about decisions I am to make. He still allows me to make the decision right or wrong, he still allows it. If God did not allow me to be a free moral agent then what good would my faith be?
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes I was raised in the so called Bible belt of the southern U.S.
Quote:Would this affect the subconscious agenda of your mind/soul?
My subconscious has no agenda, I'm a conscious moral agent free to make conscious decisions. Where I was raised was a blessing, it allowed me to find God in a more timely way and less dangerous than some other countries. Where I was born has nothing to do with finding God, because in actuality God came to me.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Muslims do not hear from god because their god is not real, they claim the God of Abraham
Quote:Did you decide who your parents were going to be? Because, if not, you can take no more credit for being raised in a "bible belt" than they can for being born into areas which exposed them to the concepts you reject. Had you been born there, you would be singing a different tune, at least, it would have been very likely.
No, God decided who my parents would be, He knew me before I was conceived. Who said I took credit for where I was born, seem you are applying something to me I never said, that's a problem.
IF, if, if I'm tired of hearing this nonsense, those ifs did not happen, they are not a part of my life, so guess what, I do not waste my time considering ifs. You should try leaving them out of your life, you might find that you can make your own decisions.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Reincarnation without a true god seems impossible
Quote:Hmm...I have seen no evidence of it occurring with or without a God. This true God part seems to still be in the air.
It hasn't occurred even with God, and as far as God goes He might be up in the air to you, but as for me and my family He is quite real.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: how would a dead man bring himself back to life as another.
Quote:You don't seem to have any problem believing that Jesus was a God version of a man, and that he did something quite similar to this. Don't you see? You don't have a rational foundation for your thoughts. You really have no control over the types of things you're willing to hold as true.
I have no problem believing Jesus was God and man while He was on earth 2000 years ago. He did nothing like reincarnation, He was resurrected as the same God and man He was before. I have complete control over what I believe, I feel sorry for those who believe they are a slave to their unconscious mind.

God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.