(August 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: I make my decisions, based upon what I think through and accept the consequences, unlike those who want to blame anything and everyone for their bad decisions, in my part of the country we call that being cowardly. At least here we grow up to be men and women of principle.
Really? We'll see if you've provided any evidence of you being in control of your choices, or if its another claim you can't back up. As for being cowardly, it doesn't surprise me that somebody like you feels that way, given your display of ignorance pertaining to how the human mind works. Didn't watch the video huh? Too long was it? Oh well, Let's read on anyway.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: You might be control by your thoughtless unconscious mind, however your weakness doesn't have to apply to me nor does it, sorry you feel so unable to stand up for what you believe. I suspect you are just looking for excuses so you do not have to face reality.
Whoops! There's that diarrhea of the mouth again. Wait and see if your brain gives you something else to say before you just type the first thing it gives you. Its not your fault, you didn't know you were going to sound stupid by typing what you just typed. Anyway, this time, read what I wrote. You literally just claimed to be able to think about your thoughts, before you think them. Can you please describe how you do that? Where do your thoughts come from GC? Don't just start typing things. Try to understand what's being said to you. I'm not ignoring reality, I'm showing you the illusion of yours. Show me evidence of your ability to know what you're going to think, before you think it. If you can't, the conscious you, is not the author of your thoughts. Reply to my bolded argument.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: If God did not allow me to be a free moral agent then what good would my faith be?
Hmm...You're now in the ballpark of what I'm trying to get you to realize. You say you have the choice to choose right or wrong. If your decision was made moments before your conscious self was aware of it, how is it that you feel that you can take credit for what occurred?
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: My subconscious has no agenda, I'm a conscious moral agent free to make conscious decisions.
That's about the stupidest thing I've heard all day. Your subconscious controls everything before your conscious self even becomes aware of it. There's evidence of it. I provided some in my last post. I suppose you have evidence of the contrary? You must have either not understood a single thing that I provided you with in my post, or your an idiot. I don't know which is more plausible at the moment.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Where I was raised was a blessing, it allowed me to find God in a more timely way and less dangerous than some other countries.
Are you free to choose from that which does not occur to you as an option?
(If I told you to pick any city in the world, and tell it to me. What would it be? After you pick, pull out a map of the world, and skim over it. Look at all the names of the cities you knew, but didn't occur to you when I asked the question. Why didn't you pick those? You knew them, you were free to pick them, and yet, your brain didn't offer them to you as options... )
Are you free to choose from that which you DO NOT KNOW is an option?
( What about all the cities you did NOT know? You couldn't have picked any of those if your life depended on it! Where's the free will in that GC?
The Hindu people of India just happened to "find" Hinduism? It had nothing to do with being in a predominantly Hindu country?)
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Where I was born has nothing to do with finding God, because in actuality God came to me.
I don't doubt that you actually think that. But, because you don't have any evidence to make that sound believable, I'm going to reject it on the grounds that it resembles psychopathy.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: No, God decided who my parents would be, He knew me before I was conceived. Who said I took credit for where I was born, seem you are applying something to me I never said, that's a problem.
No, I'm saying things to you that you do not understand. God picking the family you were born into takes more credit away from your case. If he knew who your parents were going to be, you have to recognize how your belief in free will begins to crumble. Given your geographical location, you were more likely to associate your "experience of God talking to you" with the Christian God, and from there, more likely to find people willing to reinforce that delusion. The family you were born into determined your genetic code. It determined the environment from which you derived your belief system, morals, and values. Its a FACT, that had you been born into a different family, into a different place, you would be a DIFFERENT PERSON. God chose the kind of person you were going to be by choosing the family you were born into. Had he chosen a Hindu family, guess what? Surely you can figure this out.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: IF, if, if I'm tired of hearing this nonsense, those ifs did not happen, they are not a part of my life, so guess what, I do not waste my time considering ifs. You should try leaving them out of your life, you might find that you can make your own decisions.
False. I can't take any more credit for the decisions I make than you can for yours. The point of the IFs, is to illustrate that NONE of the things you attribute to what lead you to God were in your control. You had no part in any of it. You have no evidence to support otherwise. You think you did, because you want to think that, but that's not knowledge. You need to do some quiet thinking by yourself for a while. I've given you plenty to keep you busy.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: It hasn't occurred even with God, and as far as God goes He might be up in the air to you, but as for me and my family He is quite real.
Not you nor your family has properly examined the criteria for that which you hold to be true or real. You have no way of distinguishing existence from non-existence. Your entire belief system is built upon presuppositions, illusions, delusions, biases, fear, and circular logic.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I have no problem believing Jesus was God and man while He was on earth 2000 years ago. He did nothing like reincarnation, He was resurrected as the same God and man He was before.
That's like saying you have no problem believing that a man can give natural birth to a baby, but if I told you I could fly, that's where you would draw the line. You need to consider adopting some criterion for truth. You don't know which direction your thoughts are going.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I have complete control over what I believe.
Care to back that claim up with evidence or an argument that makes it believable? If not, I will side with the evidence that says your wrong.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I feel sorry for those who believe they are a slave to their unconscious mind.
Have you ever heard of Psychiatry or maybe Neuroscience? They're a couple branches of science that you've just insulted with the stupid things you've said in this reply...But of course, your church has probably given you better data to consider than the stuff those silly doctors have been using, right?