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Is Hell Really a Bad Place?
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place?
(August 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm)LostLocke Wrote:
(August 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you believe that God is not bound by the truth of His law, not the laws He gave man to live by, but actually who He is.
If god is omnipotent and the very top of all order, he sets his own laws. If he has constrains that he must work within, he not omnipotent.

So you believe that God isn't omnipotent because He refuses to do what is against Himself. Just because He refuses to do a thing doesn't mean He can't, it means He has the justice and love not go against who He is. Don't you know this is why God said for man to be Holy as He is Holy.

(August 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Judges are always reworking the judicial system in many ways.

Quote:That they are. But they can't just snap their fingers and have something changed. There are processes and systems they have to go through not enact something.

Lower court judges try and change things on a whim at times, that's why the higher courts are overturning their bad judgement.

(August 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: God did not create the system one is judged by, one is judged by the righteousness of God, God was not created and neither was His justice.

Quote:So, god is not the one who determines who/what is good or bad?
Is it impossible for him to alter the terms?
Again, if it is impossible, he is not omnipotent. If it is possible, then it's a decision he makes as to who/what is good or bad.

Of coarse He does, I said God determines what is good and evil by who He is, not by some arbitrary subjective process, justice is set because of who God is.

(August 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's not what God said to Adam and Eve, but maybe it was in the book you were reading, seeing how the JWs rewrote the Bible to suit them.


Quote:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”-NIV

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[a] of it you shall surely die.”-ESV



15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.-KJV

I'm having a hard time finding the version that ends with..."in the day you eat it you shall surely be tormented forever"...Huh

I think you will never find a translation that states otherwise, unless you find one miss translated. Those verses do not say there will not be a eternal punishment, but then your cherry picking is the only way you can justify something that's not true.
Matthew 25: 45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46. And these will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Now if God let those who die in sin stay dead then how is that an eternal punishment, don't you think it's hard to punish a dead man. What about the coming judgement of mankind, I do not know of a place in scripture that says the dead in sin will escape the judgement.

(August 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm)sarcasticgeographer Wrote:
(August 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:

Look at my bolded part and tell me exactly how this is to be considered free will, if your god came to you?

No man can find God unless He seeks them out, it's the same for everyone. God sought me and I listened to His offer and accepted it, others have done the same and refused it, which I could have done. There have been times God has made offers to me and I turned them down (now with regret), so you see I have not always said yes to God. God has never forced me to make the right decisions, if He had what kind of God would He be.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Michael Schubert - August 10, 2013 at 8:23 pm
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by The Reality Salesman - August 10, 2013 at 9:00 pm
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 12:11 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Paraselene - August 12, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 1:35 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 1:38 am
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by The Reality Salesman - August 12, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Edwardo Piet - August 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by The Reality Salesman - August 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by sarcasticgeographer - August 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 2:56 am
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by LostLocke - August 12, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by LostLocke - August 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 14, 2013 at 11:33 pm
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RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Tonus - August 17, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by The Reality Salesman - August 17, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Michael Schubert - August 17, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place? - by Godschild - August 18, 2013 at 10:57 pm
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