RE: The Case for Atheism
August 13, 2013 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 13, 2013 at 6:42 pm)AnaMejiaP Wrote: I believe in the Bible because I have found (as others have) that the Bible is not just a fairy tale that was written by men and claimed their was a God
The bible contains stories of: talking animals, dragons living in Babylon, Cockatrice, men living in fish for 3 days, dead Holy men leaving their graves and walking around Jerusalem, giants, etc.
How does that NOT sound like a fairy tale?
Quote:just so they can keep people in check.
Maybe not written for that reason, but sure has been used for that reason plenty.
Quote:Most people don't understand the Bible is not just a book to read cover-cover and simply understand it. No, the Bible is to be taken in a exegesis way. Historically, culturally, literary criticism, finding the origin of text, the intent of the author, prophetic verses either to authenticate it or not.
'Exegesis' is nothing more than a method for explaining verses, that used to be thought of as fact, as parable. The more modernity forces Christians to see that more and more passages that used to be taken as fact now sound ridiculous, to apply 'exegesis' to them to now say they are not to be taken literally, but as parable.
Quote:In all my findings I found that the Bible is the only book that is authentic; whether it's that every name and city were authenticated by archaeologist, even the places were found to be true.
The Bible gets some things correct, historically and archeologically, but also gets many wrong (I can list them if you want).
But here's the thing, even if the Bible gets everything correct historically and archeologically, that would not add a shred of evidence that the supernatural god claims are true. The Hindu Vedas mention real places, too. Do you believe that adds any credibility to the supernatural god claims in the Vedas?
Quote:The prophecy in the Bible were even true. Such The Book of Daniel prophesied the coming of Pedo-Persia, Greek, The Roman Empire, Alexander The Great and other military battles. There was a prophesy that Jerusalem was going to be rebuilt after the Babylonians destroyed it years earlier. Which was fulfilled in 445 BC a full century AFTER Daniel had prophesied it was going to happen (Daniel 9). There are other hundreds of prophesies that were fulfilled. How can that happen from supposed men writing The Bible without any divine help?
You should ask the Jews about the supposed prophecies.
Or if you want to open another thread, I will respond why they fail.
Quote:Now to answer why I believe in this specific religion than other religions is because by doing so, you have to look into the historical events and the foundation that other religion are held onto. Whether it's Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims, Hindu etc they hold no evidence like The Bible has done. In the Quran (I have nothing against Muslim, I love them and I have Muslim friends) but its foundation is based on Abraham son Ishmael throughout history the Quran has gone through revisions, after revisions, contradicting its statements from its first few copies. There's no historical places that are mentioned in the Quran to ever had existed. In point, it can't be trusted. There's also the historical events that happened in Mormonism and Jehovah that are very contradicting. Or about Hinduism, Mythology? Simple, if I hold True that the Bible is as authenticated as I discovered it to be, then verses such as "There has no God before me, not one that I know" and the like, then Hinduism, and Mythology hold no merit in my faith. I'm only a truth seeker. If I ever find or am proven wrong about The Bible, I will in fact renounce my faith. I see no logic in believing in something that holds no truth.
You should read some scholarly research on textual criticism of the Bible. You will see that it is not that different than some of the problems you claim for the other religious texts.
You actually don't know that the Bible has 1000's of copy errors, mistranslations, the originals do not exist, there were some texts that were left out, there are later additions (everything after Mark 16:8 for example), etc, etc.
Not to mention that for someone that claims to base their beliefs on logic, you sure do use a lot of logical fallacies, Speccial pleading and circular logic, for example in the paragraph I quoted above.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.