(August 13, 2013 at 8:15 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: What I love about your OP is the irony. You've essentially attempted to turn the atheist's request of "explain yourself" into a redundant request by simply saying "can't". In other words you've claimed that the intersection of God and supernatural miracles is an empty set, but in doing so, you've created a set which annhialates your goal: the intersection between God and *explainable natural miracles*.
There was a repeat caller on the Atheist Experience this week that reminded me of what Frodo's been trying to achieve in this thread so much; whenever he was asked for evidence for his claims of a god, he would answer that god was a non-physical being, therefore there can be no evidence for him that we can perceive, and... that's it. It was almost as if he believed that his inability to provide anything substantial to back up his claim was enough for his claim to be taken seriously, and that's mirrored in Frodo's position here almost exactly.
It's the shell game all these theists play when they make recourse to non-physical gods, or "absolute minds," or gods that use natural processes exclusively in their actions: saying that is nothing more than admitting you have no reason to believe what you do... and then somehow expecting that the knowledge claim you've just made about the being you've admitted you can have no evidence of in order to formulate a knowledge claim is somehow true anyway.
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