(August 15, 2013 at 1:13 am)Undeceived Wrote:(August 15, 2013 at 1:00 am)FallentoReason Wrote: It makes *perfect sense* to say it hasn't been verified as supernatural. To demonstrate just how logical it is to ask that question, I'll once again make this claim: I'm god because I can turn cold air into hot air. Isn't my claim begging the question? Yep. Then why wouldn't Jesus' actions also deserve the exact treatment? Special pleading my friend.
The difference between you and me is our presuppositions. You presuppose that Jesus was divine and I'm not. Well, we're both going on the same "evidence", yet I can't see how you rationally came to the conclusion that Jesus was divine but I'm not. Show me this magical bridge that led you to that conclusion.
I see you are holding a heater in your hand. I know it is possible to heat air using technology. I have never seen the lame walk or blind see instantly, without technology. So I believe that the lame cannot be made to walk or the blind to see, using natural methods. In other words, I use experience to form my premises. Do you form your premises differently?
This isn't about me, but rather the theistic account of miracles, and your account seems to be in direct contradiction to that of fr0d0's. you claim that the lame walking *doesn't* have a natural explanation, so I would assume that water to wine also *doesn't* have a natural explanation (which is the exact opposite of what fr0d0 claims) i.e. we're directly witnessing something *supernatural*, something seperate from the natural, something *impossible*.
What's it going to be?
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
