RE: What if Jesus had failed?
August 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2013 at 11:57 pm by Drich.)
(August 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Ryantology Wrote:It only does not make sense because you will not compromise on your ideas of the character of the very same God you say does not exist. This is one of the things that drives me crazy about you guys. You say there is no God, but he works, acts and thinks this way only! Why can't you understand that your picture of God is wrong? When will you get that the reason nothing makes sense is because the God you think christianity worships, was built by people like you to be a model of contradictions that even the simplest mind can logically defeat?(August 22, 2013 at 8:53 am)Drich Wrote: Look at the Story of the Prodigal son. The 'Father' was pained by the son's decision to leave, and over joyed when he returned. Even though the Father was pained at His sons departure, it does not mean the Father lost his position as the Father, just because he felt pain.
Nope. God knows everything that will ever happen because he is responsible for everything that happens. He is the prime mover. It is illogical to be pained by something that happens exactly as you design it to happen and for the reasons you designed it to happen, and he could have prevented it anyway, with total ease, had he wanted to. If he is truly pained by anything, it means that his omni-qualities and perfection are falsehoods because such a being should be impossible to surprise, even with free will in the equation.
Quote:How can you possiably know what it did or did not cost God if you refuse to accept anything written in the bible about it?
The very idea of cost to an all-powerful and all-knowing God is illogical. His time and resources and power are supposed to be infinite. Nothing can cost such a being any kind of effort.
Don't blame me because your shit doesn't make sense. I didn't invent it.
When your ready to put down your version of God and wish to finish this discussion using the God of the Bible as your standard let me know.
(August 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Ryantology Wrote:Quote:It's just a universal truth and certain enlightened individuals throughout the world through the Holy Spirit have come to understand and preach it.
And, how do we know that Christians aren't getting some universal understanding which originates from another god? Or from none at all?
Because a 'revelation' from the Holy Spirit does not contradict what the Spirit has already inspired in the bible.
(August 22, 2013 at 7:02 pm)smax Wrote:(August 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: As predicted...Drippy dipping into his Apologetic Shitbag of Silly Excuses for Why The Bible is Right.
Any time the Bible is wrong about something it becomes a master code book that only the most spiritually enlightened are privileged enough to understand.
Or it's just a book written in a different language, from a different time. Which means context and sometimes a word search is needed for proper exegesis of a given passage. This is nothing new Anyone who speaks anything other than Latin based language can tell you the same. This practice is not just reserved for the bible.
Remember the bible did not originate in the king James English.
(August 22, 2013 at 7:40 pm)smax Wrote: The fact is, Jesus told his followers, as well as rulers and religious elders of the time, that he would return within their lifetime to fullfill the events of the endtimes.
In accordance with that, most of the New Testament writers wrote as if the end was imminently near. Apparently, they weren't as spiritually as today's Christians, who have access to the super decoder.
Actually he did not. He said he would return before these wicked people/nation or nationality of people were wiped off of the face of the earth. Again as I and the strongs lexicon and concordance pointed out the word for generation is the same word for a given group of people/race of people.
In short Christ promised to return before the Jews were wiped out. As they are still (miraculously) here (as no people has ever survived without a nation) Christ's prophesy still stands.