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What if Jesus had failed?
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RE: What if Jesus had failed?
(August 22, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If Jesus had failed it would be safe to say he was a false prophet and not the real deal.

What I am asking is what would have been the consequences if Jesus, as god himself or his son, had not successfully completed his mission? In essence I am wondering if it was possible for him to fail. Was the whole thing just a sham? A display put on for the dubious 'benefit' of mankind? Drich seems to lean that way with his initial post, then backed out a bit by admitting that he believes that the physical sacrifice was necessary.

I don't see where god needed any sort of ritual in order to forgive sin. He is not limited from taking any action he pleases. In the second chapter of the gospel of Mark, Jesus forgives a man his sins based on the man's faith and not on any actions taken by the man, or on his behalf. When the pharisees are outraged by this, Jesus cures the man of paralysis as a way of showing that he has the authority to forgive sin without any action on the part of the sinner.

Therefore, taking on a human form in order to provide a sacrifice was either a monumental risk, or none at all. What if Jesus had dropped to his knees and worshiped Satan, as the Devil requested? Would god have died? Would the universe have blinked out of existence? Would he have simply wiped the slate clean and moved on? Or was it all for show, because it was effectively impossible for him to fail?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 21, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 21, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 21, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 21, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 21, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Darwinian - August 21, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by freedomfromforum - August 21, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Doubting Thomas - August 21, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by KichigaiNeko - August 21, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by FallentoReason - August 21, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by FallentoReason - August 21, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by max-greece - August 22, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by max-greece - August 21, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 21, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 21, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 21, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 21, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by FallentoReason - August 21, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 22, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 22, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 23, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 23, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by gall - August 22, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by smax - August 24, 2013 at 7:31 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by rexbeccarox - August 22, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by smax - August 22, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2013 at 2:22 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by smax - August 22, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 23, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Godschild - August 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Anomalocaris - August 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 7:31 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 23, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Foxaèr - August 23, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Foxaèr - August 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Foxaèr - August 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Crossless1 - August 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Godschild - August 22, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by smax - August 22, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 12:37 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ronedee - August 23, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Darwinian - August 23, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Faith No More - August 23, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Drich - August 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Bad Writer - August 23, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ronedee - August 23, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Godschild - August 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by max-greece - August 23, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 24, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by MindForgedManacle - August 24, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Cato - August 24, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by MindForgedManacle - August 24, 2013 at 1:55 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ThomM - August 24, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Godschild - August 24, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ronedee - August 24, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Tonus - August 26, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Bad Writer - August 24, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 24, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ronedee - August 24, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Bad Writer - August 24, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by ParCutz - August 24, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: What if Jesus had failed? - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm

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