RE: Atheists are mentally ill
August 23, 2013 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2013 at 11:15 am by Sword of Christ.)
Quote:I know your god doesn't exist because he contradicts himself.
Fine tuned argument is backwards.
No.
Yes, evolution has the final word.
Are you sure you don't have it backwards by assuming that evolution was non-direction then scaling it up to the universe itself? No the universe is far too complex to be what you think it is, there's just so much much there that we understand about how it formed and what had to be precisely what. If you think there wasn't a direction to life compare the Cambrian to the Carboniferous, compare the Carboniferous to the Permian, from the Permian to the Jurassic and so on. The advancement of both plant and animal life is just simply there and it's plain to see. Humans are the final and end purpose made product of the processes of the universe and of life. You're actually deny what you can physically see, denying what you can't see is one thing, this I can understand.
Quote:The concept of god is not rejected. It is suggested when it isn't needed to explain anything. You internalized it and gave it meaning when it deserves none.
God explains literally everything we understand, as well as anything we don't understand and God will explain himself to us through the scriptures. It doesn't mean to say of course that the Bible is a book of science it provides the underpinning of a universe that can be understood by a rational mind. It can be understood this because it was as the Bible insist purposefully made for a reason.
Quote:No he didn't have these limitations. A physical human being cannot heal someone by touching them. They cannot walk on water. Unless you're claiming he didn't do these things?
How do you know humans aren't ever capable of doing this? Perhaps it's beyond the capability of the average guy on the street or if they have any capability at all is so subtle as to be unnoticed. If you were to try to remove all of Jesus's paranormal capabilities from the gospels then as Jefferson discovered you're not left with much of a coherent story of the man himself. A man who couldn't heal anyone wouldn't have crowds flocking to him or people cutting holes in his rood in an attempt to get to him. If you believe in God them all of this is perfectly reasonably possible. Bear in mind that these miraculous powers aren't claimed to be limited to Jesus though perhaps he had the highest grade it's possible for a human to have.
Quote:What I bolded: you contradicted yourself.
No because Jesus was fully 100% human not a supernatural otherworldly being, not God projecting himself as a human but a normal human man like ourselves. So whatever the human limit of these powers is that will be his limit. In some important way he was also fully God physically incarnated into the human world but it doesn't mean he could do what you're saying he could do due to the fact that he was human.
Quote:The bible promotes slavery. The bible gives less rights to women than men. The bible even has god's own chosen people, who he champions in wars and battles. God picks side all the time, and you're a supreme being and you pick sides that's not equality.
We only abolished slavery because of the teachings of Christ to begin with. The abolition movement was inspired directly from Christianity, as was the human rights movement, the gender equality movement and everything else. It all goes back to Jesus and God. This was God manifested in human life, look at the difference he made to world. Again it's like evidence you can see yet you will deny it.
Quote:dateline='1377265740']Perhaps he doesn't exist and you're just imagining it. See, I can make statements too.
You're the one dismissing the evidence we can see for ourselves for the existence of God, you're imagining it's not there when it is very clearly there. Be it in the creation and formation of the universe itself or in human life.
Quote:I really hate it when people pretend there's only a handful of religion on earth. There are plenty. Just because buddhism, hinduism, taoism isn't a big deal in your society, they are the predominant religions in many parts of the world. Is this pascal's wager? You're assuming way too much by even posing the question.
Christianity is the one with the most evidence, the one that had the biggest impact on the world, the most original, the most rational and the most influential. The other religions have a chance of being true sure, as does atheism/naturalism as a belief. That's the way it is but you go for the best pick of the pack you don't mess around.
Quote:dateline='1377265740']Correct, it wouldn't make him vanish. But if he doesn't exist however much you believe it won't make him pop into existence.
If he doesn't he doesn't exist, though I'm telling you he does in fact exist and there are good very reasons to believe this, it's not certainly blind faith or wishful thinking but the real deal.
Quote:What makes you think your opinion is the right one? Please answer all those questions you just asked me.
I think given a good outline of why God exists rather than not. You can see how much more sense it would make of the world if he does. All of history, all of human experience, all of science, everything.
Quote:I already said your god doesn't exist because it's too ridiculous a notion and many things in the bible can be disproved.
The Bible isn't a history book though it has some history in it, nor is it a book of science. It is a spiritual tool that guides humanity on the true path to God both this and the other side of eternity through Christ. The kingdom heaven in potential being both within and among us right now and Christ is the light that shines the way for humanity on it's journey.
Quote:The bible being a valid representation of modern day morality and reality is like like the Flintstones cartoon being the same.
If you think there is some kind of an objective standard of morality independent of the human mind and culture and that we have since the Bronze Age been steadily working upwards towards this apex then we may be on the same page here.
Quote:The bible is nothing more than a primitive and outdated source of man's ideals in relation to the world and answers to questions he could not find any other way except filling in the gaps of knowledge with god.
You'll notice that the Bible says absolutely nothing at all about science, it is not a scientific book that gives scientific explanations of the world. Nor does it imply a world ruled and controlled by supernatural beings it portrays a natural order created by God with a purpose. This is compatible with science 100%.