(August 24, 2013 at 4:19 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Atheism/naturalism would be the delusion if God exists and the evidence for God is right there in the universe and present in our lives. It's essentially hidden in plain sight, if you want to see it you can and if you don't you will claim God is a "self delusion" as you just did there. You don't necessarily just get to claim your opinion of something and then it's true though, you will need to back this claim up with something.
You're right! And in that spirit, since you are the one making the positive claim, and therefore have the burden of proof, why don't you present some evidence?
Quote:Yes people have direct contact with God through the Holy Spirit. I'd argue that atheists have the exact same contact, certainly as they seem to place great importance on morality and they share the same awe at the universe.
Okay, you need to can that. Do you own slaves? Do you advocate selling raped women to their rapists? Are you a murderer of gays and witches and anyone who worships a different god? No? Then you don't have biblical morality, any more than the rest of us do. You're just picking and choosing the things you like and scrapping the rest. This snaffling up of every positive thing in the world is really disgustingly arrogant.
Quote:Pffft may as well say you were "indoctrinated" into atheism as a child. But we live in a Christian culture here, Christian/Christs values are our values.
Especially the part about giving your slaves wives so they stay with you forever, right?
Quote:I think Christianity has the strongest evidence for it, particularly the resurrection and empty tomb which will of course had to be based on something.
Why did they have to be based on something? Because they were written down in a book you like? Fiction writers can pull this shit too, you know.
Quote:You can say it was some kind of mass hallucination or conspiracy if you like but it's still better than anything the other religions have.
You mean you want it to be true more, right? Because I'd expect if your reasoning actually had any content to it, you wouldn't have stopped at "better."
Quote: I also think Christianity based on the true teachings of Christ has had the most influence and has done the most good. I'm also impressed by the philosophical and scientific arguments for God as a designer and arguments for morality and human freewill.
Please present them so I can dissect them, if you would be so kind.
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