Atheists are mentally ill

[Sword of Christ]

You're right! And in that spirit, since you are the one making the positive claim, and therefore have the burden of proof, why don't you present some evidence?

I could but you would have to state what kind of evidence you personally would require. You have to bear in mind of course there is no level of certainty here either way, it's not that you are automatically right until proven wrong. If you were some kind of agnostic or unsure then of course you wouldn't be attempting to argue against Gods very existence (extreme stuff) as you are doing right now.

Okay, you need to can that. Do you own slaves? Do you advocate selling raped women to their rapists? Are you a murderer of gays and witches and anyone who worships a different god? No? Then you don't have biblical morality, any more than the rest of us do. You're just picking and choosing the things you like and scrapping the rest. This snaffling up of every positive thing in the world is really disgustingly arrogant.

My morality is that of Christ, or at least that would be the ideal I fall a bit short. I'd just like to point out that the Torah was Jesus's holy text and this very much the God he believed in (well was I suppose) and preached. There is an interesting book on it here. It's about Jesus from the perspective of Satan, it goes into the detail of what Jesus derived from the Torah.



There is some stuff in the OT that by our standards is horrifying but that's because our standards are far more Christlike these days. We have advanced in some real sense. That's why we don't do the things you stated there. So I think you're helping the case for God if anything.

Especially the part about giving your slaves wives so they stay with you forever, right?

These were rules of conduct in ancient Jewish society yes. We understand them to be less morally advanced than ourselves. But id morality as you think of it is dependent on culture then why can't we just decide to start keeping slaves again and therefore make it "become moral" by doing that? We're just applying your own standards here.

Why did they have to be based on something? Because they were written down in a book you like? Fiction writers can pull this shit too, you know.

They don't have to be. But do you think the Bible compares directly to the myths and gods of ancient Egypt or Greece? Are there any magic swords, gorgons, flying horses? You see when humans in ancient times set out to write a bit of creative imaginative fiction that's the kind of thing they invariably came up with. The Bible you will have to admit is a very different kettle of fish. Not that to say that what you have there is a word for word literal historical account mind you and yes there some folktales in there though they often told in the style of parables. Take for instance the Genesis creation myth.

You mean you want it to be true more, right? Because I'd expect if your reasoning actually had any content to it, you wouldn't have stopped at "better."

It doesn't matter what I want but I am heavily invested in believing what is true. I don't believe atheism/naturalism is true that's the problem I have with it. God makes a lot of sense, the monotheistic Law giving God of Abraham makes even more sense, Jesus Christ and his teachings of brotherly love makes even more sense still, at least to me it does. That right there in a nutshell is actually what this is all about it isn't what the atheists like to think it is.

Please present them so I can dissect them, if you would be so kind.

It's a bit of a broad subject so you'll have to say what specifically you would be interested in.